Re: [Wiki-research-l] YOUR INPUT NEEDED on Inspire Campaign researchproposals!

[Frances Hocutt]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:52 AM, John Mark Vandenberg 
wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Asaf Bartov 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Kerry Raymond 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John! I take your point. OK, let me break this into two parts.
> >>
> >> Strategy 1. WMF needs to know (as much as possible) which editors are
> >> female/male. It is pointless having a goal in relation to female
> >> participation while we neither know what it currently is and whether or
> >> not
> >> anything we do causes it to change or achieve the designed target. Right
> >> now
> >> there are a lot of "ungendered" users on Wikipedia, who make it hard to
> >> know
> >> what is actually going on.
> >>
> >> So, having a campaign and or inviting new users to provide their gender
> >> would be a Good Thing for measurement.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just FYI, where is the user's gender revealed? I must say that, other
> than
> >> consulting my own preferences, I have never noticed where my gender or
> >> anyone else's is revealed, although I know everyone says it is ...
> >> somewhere
> >
> >
> > It's possible it isn't, in English (does anyone know for sure?), because
> > English verbs have no gender marker.  But many languages have mandatory
> > gender in their verbal systems, and thus, for example, their equivalent
> of
> > "User:Person thanked you for your edit" would have the equivalent word
> for
> > "thanked" as X if Person is female or Y if Person is male.
>
> Any user template can use/display it using the gender parser function.
> I believe any UI component, like JS gadgets, can use/show it.


It's also able to be fetched through the API:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=users&ususers=1.2.3.4|Catrope|Vandal01|Bob&usprop=gender&continue

-Frances
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Gendergap] Gender data by project

[Frances Hocutt]

Hi Pine,

The idea creator doesn't need to take ownership of any project that results
from it. I'd encourage you to go ahead and put the project up in IdeaLab
and see what sort of response it gets.

-Frances

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Unfortunately not. I think this would be a good research project for
> Inspire. Pinging Siko to ask if she knows of any good candidates to take
> ownership of this project.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pine
> On Mar 6, 2015 7:11 AM,  wrote:
>
>> hi Pine,
>>
>> I wonder: have you had any other replies yet that looked
>> helpful?
>>
>> Claudia
>>
>> -- Original Message ---
>> From:"Kerry Raymond" 
>> To:"'Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase
>> theparticipation of women within Wikimedia projects.'"
>> , "'Wiki Research-l'"
>> , "'Wikimedia Cascadia
>> mailing list'" 
>> Sent:Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:09:31 +1000
>> Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Gendergap] Gender data by project
>>
>> > No, I cannot help with the data (although I share
>> > your interest in knowing it).
>> >
>> > But, it is probably not too surprising to find
>> > higher concentrations of female Wikipedians in
>> > education and GLAM as there are usually high
>> > levels of female participation in those
>> > professions. If the Wikipedia data exists, it
>> > would be interesting to compare it with
>> > corresponding occupation gender balances. For
>> > example, the biological sciences attract a lot of
>> > women (far more than the physical sciences), does
>> > that reflect in higher levels of female
>> > participation in Wikispecies? Of course, it may
>> > not be obvious what occupations should be used for
>> > comparison? Travel agents for Wikivoyage?
>> > Professional photographers for Commons?
>> >
>> > Kerry
>> >
>> >   _
>> >
>> > From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Pine W Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2015
>> > 6:07 PM To: Wiki Research-l; Addressing gender
>> > equity and exploring ways to increase
>> > theparticipation of women within Wikimedia
>> > projects.; Wikimedia Cascadia mailing list
>> > Subject: [Gendergap] Gender data by project
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Does anyone know if data about gender of
>> > contributors on projects other than English
>> > Wikipedia is available? In addition to other
>> > language Wikipedias, it would be interesring if we
>> > have data about Commons, Wikisource, Wikivoyage,
>> > Wiktionary, Wikispecies, etc.
>> >
>> > Also, anecodotally I obeserve a relatively high
>> > percentage of female participation in education
>> > and GLAM activities. Do we have data about the
>> > gender of participants in education and GLAM,
>> >  particularly in leadership roles?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Pine
>> --- End of Original Message ---
>>
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers

[Frances Hocutt]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Mark J. Nelson  wrote:

>
> Frances Hocutt  writes:
>
> > One change that could address the latter incentive is to change the
> > defaults on MediaWiki so that masculine grammatical gender is not the
> > default for new users. It could be randomly assigned, and then some men
> as
> > well as some women would have the incentive to set their gender
> preferences.
>
> That's how it currently works, according to the manual, with the default
> gender set to 'unknown':
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions
>
> I'm not sure if that's a recent change, or what's in effect on
> Wikimedia's own wikis, though.
>

I'm aware that it defaults to "unknown". My understanding--and please
correct me if I'm wrong--is that an "unknown" user in a language where
personal nouns are gendered will always display the masculine form (i.e.
Usuario for a user of unknown gender on es.wp). So, a male user doesn't
need to change his gender in preferences in order to be described
accurately where a female user would need to set her gender in order to be
described as "Usuaria". Hence, different incentives, and ones that could be
addressed with different default behavior for an "unknown" user.

-Frances
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers

[Frances Hocutt]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:

>
> Yes, but as I wrote in that Signpost article, that data relied on the
> gender editors state in their user preferences and "this information is
> optional and the majority of accounts do not state it". There a good
> reasons to assume that the differing incentives distort that data even more
> than the anonymous responses to banner-advertised surveys. For example, the
> user has to be comfortable with stating their gender in public, and in several
> languages
> 
>  female
> users have to set that user preference if they want the word "user" next to
> their nick show up in female instead of male grammatical gender form (e.g.
> "Benutzerin" vs. "Benutzer" in German) - male users do not have that
> incentive.
>

One change that could address the latter incentive is to change the
defaults on MediaWiki so that masculine grammatical gender is not the
default for new users. It could be randomly assigned, and then some men as
well as some women would have the incentive to set their gender preferences.

-Frances
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