Re: [Wiki-research-l] Survey of Welsh Wicipedia's readership

[Leila Zia]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for sharing the link to the report and also for documenting it
publicly. It's great to see the result of this study out. :)

I added a pointer to it from the study behind Why We Read Wikipedia [1]. I
also went over your report and it was especially interesting for me to see
the notes on cultural variations. We are going to repeat the study behind
Why We Read Wikipedia in the coming week or so in more languages (the list
of languages are listed all over the place. [2]) and we can add more to
your findings in a couple of months. :)

Best,
Leila

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research%3ACharacterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Behaviour=revision=16891015=16772378
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Behaviour/Robustness_across_languages


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On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> These are valid questions, and I am curious about them as well.
>
> The suggested reasons for choosing Welsh over English are valid as well,
> and I would add a couple more:
>
> 1. They study in a Welsh school and had to research the topic for a
> homework assignment, which they have to write in Welsh.
>
> 2. They heard about this topic in a Welsh radio or TV program, or read
> about it in a Welsh book, newspaper, or website. They wanted to know more,
> and it made more sense to continue in Welsh.
>
> בתאריך 17 ביוני 2017 03:30 AM,‏ "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raym...@gmail.com>
> כתב:
>
> > Now this question may reveal my ignorance about the Welsh language and/or
> > the Welsh Wikipedia and/or my own monolingualism (I don't read any other
> > language well enough to attempt to read it in a non-English Wikiepdia),
> but
> > English Wikipedia says that "Most Welsh-speaking people in Wales also
> speak
> > English" and Welsh Wikipedia has 91K articles to English Wikipedia's 5M+.
> >
> > Given the above, I am somewhat curious why the survey did not ask about
> > the ability to speak English and the extent of usage of English Wikipedia
> > and what factors made them choose to read one or the other. Given that
> most
> > of the respondents are probably bi-lingual (to some degree) as readers,
> it
> > would seem that they are probably reading English Wikipedia to some
> extent
> > given its far wider coverage. So when and why do they choose to read
> Welsh
> > Wikipedia? My guess is that it may be for reasons related to the Welsh
> > language itself:
> >
> > * as first preference because their Welsh reading is better than their
> > English reading (preferable)
> > * as first preference because despite being equally or more fluent in
> > English because they want to support the Welsh language (patriotism)
> > * as first preference because despite being equally or more fluent in
> > English they want to maintain or improve their Welsh language skills by
> > reading in that language (learning)
> >
> > or because of the content:
> >
> > * because the topic of interest is only on Welsh Wikipedia (necessity)
> > * because the topic of interest is on both Welsh and English Wikipedia
> and
> > so reading both is likely to provide more information than reading just
> one
> > (comprehensive)
> > * as a second preference because the topic was not adequately covered on
> > English Wikipedia and it is hoped it is better covered in Welsh Wikipedia
> > (unsatisfied)
> >
> > Are there other reasons?
> >
> > Off-hand, does anyone have a sense of the coverage of Welsh Wikipedia? To
> > what extent is it providing articles on topics not on English Wikipedia
> or
> > much better covered than on English Wikipedia, vs providing articles on
> > similar topics to English Wikipedia (possibly shorter) but in Welsh? That
> > is, what do the goals of the writers of Welsh Wikipedia appear to be?
> Does
> > it lean towards providing specific Welsh content or providing generic
> > content in Welsh?
> >
> > I realise you can ask the same questions about any other language
> > Wikipedia vs English Wikipedia, but for many other languages, there will
> be
> > many people who speak the other language far more fluently than English
> (or
> > may not speak English at all). But this seems to be less likely to be the
> > case for Welsh-vs-English.
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:wiki-research-l-
> boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> > On Behalf Of Richard Nevell
> > Sent: Friday, 16 June 

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Survey of Welsh Wicipedia's readership

[Amir E. Aharoni]

These are valid questions, and I am curious about them as well.

The suggested reasons for choosing Welsh over English are valid as well,
and I would add a couple more:

1. They study in a Welsh school and had to research the topic for a
homework assignment, which they have to write in Welsh.

2. They heard about this topic in a Welsh radio or TV program, or read
about it in a Welsh book, newspaper, or website. They wanted to know more,
and it made more sense to continue in Welsh.

בתאריך 17 ביוני 2017 03:30 AM,‏ "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raym...@gmail.com>
כתב:

> Now this question may reveal my ignorance about the Welsh language and/or
> the Welsh Wikipedia and/or my own monolingualism (I don't read any other
> language well enough to attempt to read it in a non-English Wikiepdia), but
> English Wikipedia says that "Most Welsh-speaking people in Wales also speak
> English" and Welsh Wikipedia has 91K articles to English Wikipedia's 5M+.
>
> Given the above, I am somewhat curious why the survey did not ask about
> the ability to speak English and the extent of usage of English Wikipedia
> and what factors made them choose to read one or the other. Given that most
> of the respondents are probably bi-lingual (to some degree) as readers, it
> would seem that they are probably reading English Wikipedia to some extent
> given its far wider coverage. So when and why do they choose to read Welsh
> Wikipedia? My guess is that it may be for reasons related to the Welsh
> language itself:
>
> * as first preference because their Welsh reading is better than their
> English reading (preferable)
> * as first preference because despite being equally or more fluent in
> English because they want to support the Welsh language (patriotism)
> * as first preference because despite being equally or more fluent in
> English they want to maintain or improve their Welsh language skills by
> reading in that language (learning)
>
> or because of the content:
>
> * because the topic of interest is only on Welsh Wikipedia (necessity)
> * because the topic of interest is on both Welsh and English Wikipedia and
> so reading both is likely to provide more information than reading just one
> (comprehensive)
> * as a second preference because the topic was not adequately covered on
> English Wikipedia and it is hoped it is better covered in Welsh Wikipedia
> (unsatisfied)
>
> Are there other reasons?
>
> Off-hand, does anyone have a sense of the coverage of Welsh Wikipedia? To
> what extent is it providing articles on topics not on English Wikipedia or
> much better covered than on English Wikipedia, vs providing articles on
> similar topics to English Wikipedia (possibly shorter) but in Welsh? That
> is, what do the goals of the writers of Welsh Wikipedia appear to be? Does
> it lean towards providing specific Welsh content or providing generic
> content in Welsh?
>
> I realise you can ask the same questions about any other language
> Wikipedia vs English Wikipedia, but for many other languages, there will be
> many people who speak the other language far more fluently than English (or
> may not speak English at all). But this seems to be less likely to be the
> case for Welsh-vs-English.
>
> Kerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> On Behalf Of Richard Nevell
> Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 11:40 PM
> To: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Survey of Welsh Wicipedia's readership
>
> Hello,
>
> Earlier this year Wikimedia UK conducted a survey of Welch Wicipedia's
> readers. We wanted to learn more about their demographics and why they
> chose to read c. 1001 people filled in the survey and the results are
> available on meta-wiki in English <https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Research:Readership_of_Welsh_Wicipedia>
> and Welsh
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Canlyniadau_
> arolwg_o_ddarllenwyr_Wicipedia_Cymraeg>
> .
>
> Richard Nevell
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Survey of Welsh Wicipedia's readership

[Kerry Raymond]

Now this question may reveal my ignorance about the Welsh language and/or the 
Welsh Wikipedia and/or my own monolingualism (I don't read any other language 
well enough to attempt to read it in a non-English Wikiepdia), but English 
Wikipedia says that "Most Welsh-speaking people in Wales also speak English" 
and Welsh Wikipedia has 91K articles to English Wikipedia's 5M+.

Given the above, I am somewhat curious why the survey did not ask about the 
ability to speak English and the extent of usage of English Wikipedia and what 
factors made them choose to read one or the other. Given that most of the 
respondents are probably bi-lingual (to some degree) as readers, it would seem 
that they are probably reading English Wikipedia to some extent given its far 
wider coverage. So when and why do they choose to read Welsh Wikipedia? My 
guess is that it may be for reasons related to the Welsh language itself:

* as first preference because their Welsh reading is better than their English 
reading (preferable)
* as first preference because despite being equally or more fluent in English 
because they want to support the Welsh language (patriotism)
* as first preference because despite being equally or more fluent in English 
they want to maintain or improve their Welsh language skills by reading in that 
language (learning)

or because of the content:

* because the topic of interest is only on Welsh Wikipedia (necessity)
* because the topic of interest is on both Welsh and English Wikipedia and so 
reading both is likely to provide more information than reading just one 
(comprehensive)
* as a second preference because the topic was not adequately covered on 
English Wikipedia and it is hoped it is better covered in Welsh Wikipedia 
(unsatisfied)

Are there other reasons?

Off-hand, does anyone have a sense of the coverage of Welsh Wikipedia? To what 
extent is it providing articles on topics not on English Wikipedia or much 
better covered than on English Wikipedia, vs providing articles on similar 
topics to English Wikipedia (possibly shorter) but in Welsh? That is, what do 
the goals of the writers of Welsh Wikipedia appear to be? Does it lean towards 
providing specific Welsh content or providing generic content in Welsh? 

I realise you can ask the same questions about any other language Wikipedia vs 
English Wikipedia, but for many other languages, there will be many people who 
speak the other language far more fluently than English (or may not speak 
English at all). But this seems to be less likely to be the case for 
Welsh-vs-English.

Kerry

-Original Message-
From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
Behalf Of Richard Nevell
Sent: Friday, 16 June 2017 11:40 PM
To: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Survey of Welsh Wicipedia's readership

Hello,

Earlier this year Wikimedia UK conducted a survey of Welch Wicipedia's readers. 
We wanted to learn more about their demographics and why they chose to read c. 
1001 people filled in the survey and the results are available on meta-wiki in 
English <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Readership_of_Welsh_Wicipedia>
and Welsh
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Canlyniadau_arolwg_o_ddarllenwyr_Wicipedia_Cymraeg>
.

Richard Nevell
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[Wiki-research-l] Survey of Welsh Wicipedia's readership

[Richard Nevell]

Hello,

Earlier this year Wikimedia UK conducted a survey of Welch Wicipedia's
readers. We wanted to learn more about their demographics and why they
chose to read Welsh Wicipedia. 1001 people filled in the survey and the
results are available on meta-wiki in English

and Welsh

.

Richard Nevell
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Project Coordinator
Wikimedia UK - sign up to our newsletter 
+44 (0) 20 7065 0921 <020%207065%200921>

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Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
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