Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 111, Issue 7

2014-11-13 Thread Kerry Raymond 
It was a comment made out of complete ignorance of what was actually
available but in a desire to prevent unnecessary re-work.

 

Kerry

 

 

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Hi Kerry,

I agree that both aspects could be very relevant and rewarding to work on.
You wrote "we probably need to have some information available to the
students on the codebase and whatever else is required to be immediately
productive", could you expand a bit about what you mean? Are you thinking
about improving the documentation? Have you already identified some weak
spots? 

 

John

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> Hi,
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> The last year Wikimedia Sverige has deepened the cooperation with a
> number of universities in Sweden and we have recently started providing 
> them with research assignment for students' thesis work (to work on for 
> either during 10 weeks (Bachelor) or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot
I gave a presentation about this a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a
great interest in this opportunity from staff and student - with around 10
students (out of ~300) deciding to do their thesis work about our movement
and projects next year! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was wondering if there is a list of possible thesis assignments compiled

> somewhere (of course many different structures for thesis work exist - but
anything would help)? We would especially like more ideas regarding
technical assignments that the students could do - and investigate the
effect from - during their thesis course. I.e. 
> not just the Phabricator/Bugzilla bugs, but something a bit more 
> comprehensive and structured. Is there anything out there? (Kind of like
GSoC - but during the semesters.)
> 
> 
> 
> If no such resource exists - and if more people/chapters/WMF would find
this approach of involving universities interesting - perhaps we could
create the necessary structures for this in the future? 
> 
> 
> 
> PS. Wiki Education Foundation do not have one - I already asked.
> 
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> Best,
> 
> John
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 111, Issue 7

2014-11-13 Thread John Andersson 









Hi Nemo,

I am happy to clarify! With "staff" I included university teachers and 
professors. I intentionally wrote it a bit more blurry as I figured that this 
might differ between different countries. :-) 

In Sweden we have so far worked directly with teachers and professors to 
formulate an interesting topic and they have added themselves - or colleagues - 
as supervisors. Wikimedia Sverige's staff is involved as external experts that 
will help guide the students.

To make it more concrete I have included an example of a thesis topic that we 
have added to the university's database below:

What role can Wikipedia’s material have in Sweden’s prisons? It is possible to 
provide prisons with an offline version of Wikipedia so that the prisoners can 
read and continuously educate themselves? This has already been tested in 
Switzerland in 2013-2014. It would be interesting to evaluate the possibilities 
for similar projects in Sweden and to find out what the possibilities and the 
obstacles are. 
Supervisor Henrik Hansson, DSV, John Andersson, Wikimedia Sverige

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kiwix_-_Wikipedia_Offline
 https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Wikipedia_i_fängelser_2015 

 If there is interest from a student then the discussion continues in 
order to narrow down the topic - in a way that is good for both us and 
for the student. The result can then, hopefully, be used for an external 
application to fund a project.
 In Sweden many universities also offer the possibility for external 
organizations/companies to send in suggestions on thesis topics even without 
the contact with a professor/teacher in advance. The professors/teachers at the 
university will then decide if they care to be supervisors or not.
A few months from now we will see if this works out well for us or not.

John

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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:48:25 +0100
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> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> The last year Wikimedia Sverige has deepened the cooperation with a
>  number of universities in Sweden and we have recently started providing 
> them with research assignment for students' thesis work (to work on for 
> either during 10 weeks (Bachelor) or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot I 
> gave a presentation about this a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a great 
> interest in this opportunity from staff and student - with around 10 students 
> (out of  ~300) deciding to do their thesis work about our movement and 
> projects next year! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was wondering if there is a list of possible thesis assignments compiled 
> somewhere (of course many different structures for thesis work exist - but 
> anything would help)? We would especially like more ideas regarding technical 
> assignments that the students could do - and investigate the effect from - 
> during their thesis course. I.e. 
> not just the Phabricator/Bugzilla bugs, but something a bit more 
> comprehensive and structured. Is there anything out there? (Kind of like GSoC 
> - but during the semesters.)
> 
> 
> 
> If no such resource exists - and if more people/chapters/WMF would find this 
> approach of involving universities interesting - perhaps we could create the 
> necessary structures for this in the future? 
> 
> 
> 
> PS. Wiki Education Foundation do not have one - I already asked.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> John
> 
> - - - -
> 
> 
> 
> John Andersson
> 
> 
> 
> Wikimedia Sverige
> 
> 
> 
> Project Manager 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Phone: +46(0)73-3965189
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Email: john.anders...@wikimedia.se
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 111, Issue 7

2014-11-13 Thread John Andersson 



Hi Kerry,

I agree that both aspects could be very relevant and rewarding to work on. You 
wrote "we probably need to have some information available to the students on 
the codebase and whatever else is required to be immediately productive", could 
you expand a bit about what you mean? Are you thinking about improving the 
documentation? Have you already identified some weak spots? 

John

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>2. Re: List of student research assignment (Kerry Raymond)
>3. Re: List of student research assignment (Federico Leva (Nemo))
>4. Re: List of student research assignment (Kerry Raymond)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:48:25 +0100
> From: John Andersson 
> To: "Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org"
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> The last year Wikimedia Sverige has deepened the cooperation with a
>  number of universities in Sweden and we have recently started providing 
> them with research assignment for students' thesis work (to work on for 
> either during 10 weeks (Bachelor) or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot I 
> gave a presentation about this a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a great 
> interest in this opportunity from staff and student - with around 10 students 
> (out of  ~300) deciding to do their thesis work about our movement and 
> projects next year! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was wondering if there is a list of possible thesis assignments compiled 
> somewhere (of course many different structures for thesis work exist - but 
> anything would help)? We would especially like more ideas regarding technical 
> assignments that the students could do - and investigate the effect from - 
> during their thesis course. I.e. 
> not just the Phabricator/Bugzilla bugs, but something a bit more 
> comprehensive and structured. Is there anything out there? (Kind of like GSoC 
> - but during the semesters.)
> 
> 
> 
> If no such resource exists - and if more people/chapters/WMF would find this 
> approach of involving universities interesting - perhaps we could create the 
> necessary structures for this in the future? 
> 
> 
> 
> PS. Wiki Education Foundation do not have one - I already asked.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> John
> 
> - - - -
> 
> 
> 
> John Andersson
> 
> 
> 
> Wikimedia Sverige
> 
> 
> 
> Project Manager 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Phone: +46(0)73-3965189
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Email: john.anders...@wikimedia.se
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Skype: johnandersson86
>   
> 
> 
> Be sure to follow us on Twitter at @WikiEuropeana and @WikimediaSE
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> This is a very interesting idea and could be targeted both at technical work
> assignments as well as research assignments at all levels. However, to be
> viable, we probably need to have some information available to the students
> on the codebase and whatever else is required to be immediately productive.
> Maybe that could be the first assignments!
> 
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