Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
It has resurfaced here in Australia http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/12/14/comment-will-editing-disputes- mean-end-wikipedia Nothing to do with me, I should add. Kerry _ From: wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Keyes Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2014 12:04 AM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) I think area of focus is likely to be a big factor. There's a stereotype, for example, of new page patrollers as particularly uncaring and harried: when we surveyed patrollers, and compared the results to the surveys of the overall editing population, we found that the major demographic difference or difference in priorities is simply that new page patrollers patrol new pages. So where people choose to work definitely plays a part. And, anecdotally, there are some areas that just attract combative individuals and so become less-pleasant for those who (quite rightly) don't want to tolerate that - articles around Israel/Palestine, for example, or the Balkans. At the end of the day, though, it's the people who make the environments unpleasant just as much as it is the environments altering the people. On 15 December 2014 at 23:28, mjn m...@anadrome.org wrote: Perhaps it depends on what part of the encyclopedia? Has anyone attempted to characterize how the editing environment varies with different subject matter? I often run across descriptions that don't comport with either my experience, or that of people I've interviewed, but it's hard to tell precisely why. I've encountered quite different beliefs about what the en.wikipedia community is like, even among people who to me seem to otherwise have a similar background. Entirely anecdotally, areas of interest seem to be one correlated factor. For example, writing an article on an archaeological site (one thing I've mentored new editors in doing) is by and large trouble-free and friendly, in my experience. But some other areas are not. I haven't attempted to characterize that factor in any detail. -Mark WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com writes: We have problems, I don't dispute that. But ugly and bitter as 4chan? That has to be an exaggeration. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 13 Dec 2014, at 01:03, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of BLP, AGF, NOR :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community is not ideal. pundit On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: There's a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded organisation, public perception matters a lot. Kerry From: Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities Cc: Kerry Raymond Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Community Research Lead Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) jmor...@wikimedia.org ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki
Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) (mjn)
Hi On the question of location of disputes I wrote a blog post a few years ago: Auray et al. identify several factors which contribute to conflictuality, such as the number of participants, the location of disputes, and the identity choices of participants. The larger the number of contributors, the more likely discussion is; the threshold number seems to be eight. When there are more than ten participants, discussion increasingly moves to the talk pages of users, and is more likely to degenerate into insults. A surefire indicator of fights are references to policy pages. These can be statistically measured: research by Kriplean and Beschastnikh has shown that pages with more than 250 posts had 51% of the links towards policy pages. There are two main types of articles where conflicts erupt: first, the usual suspects are topics with burning current affairs value involving inter-ethnic or inter-faith conflicts; second, “scientific” categories with low academic legitimacy such as homeopathy and chiropraxy are strong conflict zones. Suspected “sock-puppetry” (fake identity) is also a source of conflict; an attenuated version of this being the lack of regard for people who have not registered on the site and instead just use an IP address: more than half of the text inserted by “IPs” is deleted, and they are more likely to be present in semi-protected articles which is where disputes and insults typically occur. IPs are also more likely to insult others, so there are suspicions that IPs are registereds users who use “socks” to engage in insulting behaviour which they would not dare to do under their registered identities. http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wikipedia-and-conflict/2009/07/07 cheers Mathieu From: wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of wiki-research-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wiki-research-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 23:01 To: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 112, Issue 24 Send Wiki-research-l mailing list submissions to wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wiki-research-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wiki-research-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wiki-research-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) (mjn) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:28:30 +0100 From: mjn m...@anadrome.org To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) Message-ID: 87k31si55a@mjn.anadrome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Perhaps it depends on what part of the encyclopedia? Has anyone attempted to characterize how the editing environment varies with different subject matter? I often run across descriptions that don't comport with either my experience, or that of people I've interviewed, but it's hard to tell precisely why. I've encountered quite different beliefs about what the en.wikipedia community is like, even among people who to me seem to otherwise have a similar background. Entirely anecdotally, areas of interest seem to be one correlated factor. For example, writing an article on an archaeological site (one thing I've mentored new editors in doing) is by and large trouble-free and friendly, in my experience. But some other areas are not. I haven't attempted to characterize that factor in any detail. -Mark WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com writes: We have problems, I don't dispute that. But ugly and bitter as 4chan? That has to be an exaggeration. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 13 Dec 2014, at 01:03, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of BLP, AGF, NOR :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: While I agree that the article is overly negative
Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
We have problems, I don't dispute that. But ugly and bitter as 4chan? That has to be an exaggeration. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 13 Dec 2014, at 01:03, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of BLP, AGF, NOR :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community is not ideal. pundit On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded organisation, public perception matters a lot. Kerry From: Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities Cc: Kerry Raymond Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Community Research Lead Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) jmor...@wikimedia.org ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- __ prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
Communities are who they choose to offer plaudits to. The people getting off largely scott-free in this case are people a highly vocal subgroup has put on a pedestal for years. I don't know if the community as a whole is that ugly and bitter, but I can understand where people would get the impression, from looking at the sort of person we celebrate. On Monday, 15 December 2014, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: We have problems, I don't dispute that. But ugly and bitter as 4chan? That has to be an exaggeration. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 13 Dec 2014, at 01:03, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','andrew@gmail.com'); wrote: I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sydney.po...@gmail.com'); wrote: I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','andrew@gmail.com'); wrote: It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of BLP, AGF, NOR :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dar...@alk.edu.pl'); wrote: While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community is not ideal. pundit On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerry.raym...@gmail.com'); wrote: There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded organisation, public perception matters a lot. Kerry -- *From:* Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jmor...@wikimedia.org');] *Sent:* Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM *To:* Research into Wikimedia content and communities *Cc:* Kerry Raymond *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nemow...@gmail.com'); wrote: 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Community Research Lead Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF) jmor...@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jmor...@wikimedia.org'); ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- __ prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki
Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
Perhaps it depends on what part of the encyclopedia? Has anyone attempted to characterize how the editing environment varies with different subject matter? I often run across descriptions that don't comport with either my experience, or that of people I've interviewed, but it's hard to tell precisely why. I've encountered quite different beliefs about what the en.wikipedia community is like, even among people who to me seem to otherwise have a similar background. Entirely anecdotally, areas of interest seem to be one correlated factor. For example, writing an article on an archaeological site (one thing I've mentored new editors in doing) is by and large trouble-free and friendly, in my experience. But some other areas are not. I haven't attempted to characterize that factor in any detail. -Mark WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com writes: We have problems, I don't dispute that. But ugly and bitter as 4chan? That has to be an exaggeration. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 13 Dec 2014, at 01:03, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of BLP, AGF, NOR :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community is not ideal. pundit On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded organisation, public perception matters a lot. Kerry From: Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities Cc: Kerry Raymond Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Community Research Lead Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) jmor...@wikimedia.org ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- __ prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Community Research Lead Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF) jmor...@wikimedia.org ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around. Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of BLP, AGF, NOR :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community is not ideal. pundit On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded organisation, public perception matters a lot. Kerry -- *From:* Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org] *Sent:* Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM *To:* Research into Wikimedia content and communities *Cc:* Kerry Raymond *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote) I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public. - J On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- Jonathan T. Morgan Community Research Lead Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF) jmor...@wikimedia.org ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- __ prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
[Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_d isputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html This is the predicated fallout of the recent ArbCom case in relation to civility (although there's a rather longer and more tortuous history to it). Kerry ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
thanks for the link (and, score, I got a quote, too! ;) dj On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html This is the predicated fallout of the recent ArbCom case in relation to civility (although there’s a rather longer and more tortuous history to it). Kerry ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- __ prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
