[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling for Kashmiri
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il changed: What|Removed |Added CC||amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.i ||l Summary|Multiple script enabling|Multiple script enabling ||for Kashmiri -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||philip@gmail.com, ||santhosh.thottingal@gmail.c ||om Component|Language setup |Language converter Blocks||30759 Product|Wikimedia |MediaWiki -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 Mark node...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||node...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Mark node...@gmail.com 2011-10-14 03:11:44 UTC --- Vaibhav: That is not the case; only a tiny minority of Kashmiri Hindus use devanagari script, and this is a very recent development. Purodha: I'm well aware of language policy, I was under the impression that languages which were identical but used two different non-convertible scripts could be allowed separate Wikis; anyhow this is all at the total discretion of langcom. Several of the issues with conversion are outlined here: http://kashmiruniversity.academia.edu/AadilKak/Papers/553013/Building_a_Cross_Script_Kashmiri_Converter_Issues_and_Solutions even with an extensive rule-based system, only 90% accuracy is reached, a level unacceptable for a major reference work (should be over 99%). With regards to the issue of which script is used by whom, note that that document reaffirms what I've said that Devanagari is usually not used for works in the language, but rather mostly for works in Hindi *about* the language (linguistic studies, for example). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 Mark node...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||node...@gmail.com --- Comment #2 from Mark node...@gmail.com 2011-10-11 06:33:59 UTC --- Eukesh's statement is misleading. Kashmiri was written in Sharda script in ancient times; it is now written in Arabic (Nastaleeq) script by virutally all speakers. Arabic script is the official script for the language in India. When Eukesh says that most of the editors have used Devanagari, he is referring to a single editor who published hundreds of stubs written in the wrong language (Sanskrit), which hardly seems relevant. Although computer support for the Kashmiri language is still problematic and difficult, Devanagari is not required to be a part of this strategy as it is rarely used to actually write Kashmiri. I also think that Eukesh's devanagari transliteration tool should be turned off by default at ks.wp, since in its current state it impedes development by users who speak the language and wish to write in the official Arabic script. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 --- Comment #3 from Vaibhav Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in 2011-10-11 06:37:19 UTC --- Sorry but i don't agree with this, both Devanagari Script and Arabic script should be used for Kashmiri. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 --- Comment #4 from Mark node...@gmail.com 2011-10-11 07:58:30 UTC --- This creates an unnecessary barrier to participation for Kashmiri users, the vast majority of whom use the Perso-Arabic alphabet, which is also official script used for the language in the Republic of India. Any minority wanting to write Kashmiri in Devanagari will probably be better to seek a separate Wikipedia, since lossless conversion between the two scripts is not yet possible. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 --- Comment #5 from Vaibhav Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in 2011-10-11 08:00:26 UTC --- But many people in the Jammu and Ladakh region uses devanagari. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 --- Comment #6 from Mark node...@gmail.com 2011-10-11 08:20:08 UTC --- According to Dr. Rahi, expert in Kashmiri language and literature: The modern Kashmiri script is Perso-Arabic. It is a standard accepted by people for six hundred years. Most writings, whether by Muslim writers or Hindu writers in the last six or seven centuries, has been Perso-Arabic. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 --- Comment #7 from Vaibhav Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in 2011-10-11 08:22:06 UTC --- That seems a little biased, hindu writers mostly writes in devanagari, however bugzilla isn't the right place to discuss all this, please do that on ks wiki. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 --- Comment #8 from Purodha Blissenbach bugzilla.wikime...@publi.purodha.net 2011-10-11 13:45:50 UTC --- (In reply to comment #4) Any minority wanting to write Kashmiri in Devanagari will probably be better to seek a separate Wikipedia, since lossless conversion between the two scripts is not yet possible. We are not discussing Wikipedia here, but your suggestion would imho likely not pass due to WMFs current language policy. Generally, having user selectable scripts in MediaWiki would imho be a more convenient and less restrictive solution. What are the precise problems inhibiting an automated conversion between the scripts? Would an algorithmic approach with a limited dictionary of special cases do? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 Vaibhav Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vibhij...@yahoo.in --- Comment #1 from Vaibhav Jain vibhij...@yahoo.in 2011-07-30 15:00:32 UTC --- Please review this bug as this is a major concern for ks wikipedia. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 10034] Multiple script enabling
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10034 Chad H. innocentkil...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||i18n -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
