[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 Nico R. changed: What|Removed |Added CC||n-roe...@gmx.net Priority|Low |Normal -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Comment #10 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-08 06:12:57 UTC --- Couldn't we wrap [[MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] in ? That way uselang=de would work in wikis of any language, and uselang=en would still work properly on German wikis. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
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--- Comment #11 from Danny B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-08 11:45:09 UTC ---
Partial solution may be adding of something like
html[lang="de"] #p-navigation h5
{
text-transform: none;
}
or even
html[lang="de"] #column-one h5
{
text-transform: none;
}
(I was too lazy to look for proper selectors, so take it with some
tolerance ;-))
to /skins/monobook/main.css
However, IE at least till version 6 (I can't test in newer one ATM) does not
support it - that's why it's just partial solution. But I guess better than
nothing at least for the beginning.
(In reply to comment #10)
> Couldn't we wrap [[MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] in style="text-transform:none">? That way uselang=de would work in wikis of any
> language, and uselang=en would still work properly on German wikis.
That should work. At least on Testwiki it does (I've tried it on /cs version).
Probably the best would be to have it in site default (thus in SVN). However
it's not guaranteed it will work forever, since unfortunately one group of
developers constantly cuts out HTML support in MediaWiki messages which lowers
down its usability... :-/
This problem isn't only on German sites (but it's most obvious there) - any
other site which would like to put some proper name in sidebar's headlines,
would have to override styles as well. I was trying to solve that in bug 6691
and later on in maillist about 2,5 years ago
,
however, unsuccessfully :-/ (well, yes - that communication wasn't my best one
;-) but I guess I've brought enough reasons there).
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[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #12 from Aryeh Gregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-08 14:15:33 UTC --- (In reply to comment #10) > Couldn't we wrap [[MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] in style="text-transform:none">? That way uselang=de would work in wikis of any > language, and uselang=en would still work properly on German wikis. That seems entirely reasonable (maybe using a class instead of inline style, but probably doesn't really matter, since the class would be essentially presentational anyway). Anyone want to do it? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:
What|Removed |Added
Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
Resolution||FIXED
--- Comment #13 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-08 19:12:36 UTC ---
Implemented in Betawiki.
> --- Comment #11 from Danny B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-08 11:45:09 UTC ---
> Partial solution may be adding of something like
>
> html[lang="de"] #p-navigation h5
> {
> text-transform: none;
> }
>
> or even
>
> html[lang="de"] #column-one h5
> {
> text-transform: none;
> }
I tried something very similar using :lang, but it only worked if the wiki's
language was German. So, it would have worked on the German Wikipedia, but not
on the Wikimedia Commons. I was hoping to do something like:
html.uselang-de #p-navigation h5
but MediaWiki does not expose the "uselang" parameter in CSS, so the best thing
that I could personally do was add wrappers to the messages via Betawiki.
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[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #14 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-08 19:51:15 UTC --- Never mind, all of the nstab- messages don't support HTML, so this fix doesn't work for them. Knowing that, I think it'd be best to expose the uselang information via CSS, at least for the Monobook skin. Unfortunately, I don't know how to make MediaWiki do that... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #15 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-08 20:14:47 UTC --- For the record, after creating a minor mess at Betawiki I discovered that [[MediaWiki:Navigation]] is the _only_ message that both has this problem and allows HTML in its message. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #16 from Aryeh Gregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-08 23:02:42 UTC --- (In reply to comment #13) > I tried something very similar using :lang, but it only worked if the wiki's > language was German. So, it would have worked on the German Wikipedia, but not > on the Wikimedia Commons. I was hoping to do something like: > > html.uselang-de #p-navigation h5 > > but MediaWiki does not expose the "uselang" parameter in CSS, so the best > thing > that I could personally do was add wrappers to the messages via Betawiki. Keep in mind that it's possible to have a mix of interface languages displayed on a page. Some messages might be untranslated and fall back to the specified fallback language, and some messages might be forced to the content language on some wikis. Deciding whether to lowercase on a per-message basis is likely the best idea, if it's feasible. Personally, I think the best solution might be to get rid of the text-transform rule for all languages. It's not worth the trouble it causes. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #17 from Danny B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-09 13:18:37 UTC --- (In reply to comment #16) > Personally, I think the best solution might be to get rid of the > text-transform > rule for all languages. It's not worth the trouble it causes. So why won't we do it? This issue has been around for almost 4 years periodically returning like a boomerang. Many reasons have been given, many examples have been shown in favor of removal while for keeping there is the one and only argument still being repeated round and round: "it's part of the design". Well, yes, it is. And we have good designs and bad designs as well... ;-) Time has shown that this part of the design wasn't the best approach. And if design lowers accessibility or usability it should be changed. Time for change is now... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #18 from Aryeh Gregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-09 14:25:46 UTC --- (In reply to comment #17) > So why won't we do it? For my part, comment #7. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #19 from TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-09 16:59:16 UTC --- As I said in comment #5, changing case is NOT just a stylistic effect. It changes the MEANING of the words in many languages! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> changed: What|Removed |Added CC|[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 Melancholie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[EMAIL PROTECTED] Version|1.3.10 |unspecified --- Comment #20 from Melancholie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-10 04:38:43 UTC --- I have temporarily fixed this bug with a workaround at betawiki: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Navigation/de&diff=894296&oldid=892581 The additional code doesn't weigh much, as the very same code now can be removed from [[de:MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] for example. Note that I do *not* CLOSE this bug, because the actual reason for this bug is that [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]] does not at all get used! Someone has to find a way to include [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]] into the generated CSS file by software, as currently only the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] file content seems to be send to clients. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #21 from Melancholie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-10 05:16:35 UTC --- Note: Do not @import [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]] in [[MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] (that would break other skins for example) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #22 from Melancholie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-10 06:21:11 UTC --- Fixed that issue with that workaround also for: * de-formal * gsw * bar * pfl * nds * lb * ksh * pdc * pdt ang (and probably others) has a text-tranform:none declaration in [[ang:MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], but I skipped that (as only German languages are generally capitalised) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
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--- Comment #23 from Melancholie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-10 06:26:25 UTC
---
Silly question: Why is .portlet h6 defined, actually?
There are no H6 portlet headings!?
Or do some extensions use h6 portlet headings?
If MediaWiki really doesn't have H6 portlet headings by default (what I think),
shouldn't
".portlet h6 {...}" be removed from
http://upload.wikimedia.org/skins/monobook/main.css
and
[[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]]?
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[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #24 from Melancholie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-10 10:16:26 UTC --- Forget my last posts, changes have been reverted altogether, broadly. http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User_talk%3AMelancholie&diff=894502&oldid=379444 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #25 from TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-12-10 16:40:57 UTC --- >From my point of view: Fact: A skin MUST be independent from the language. Fact: Changing text to lower case is NOT independent from the language. Conclusion: Remove every occurence of "text-transform: lowercase;" from main.css. Optional: Change the case of the text in [[MediaWiki:Navigation]], [[MediaWiki:Viewsource]] and so on or add "text-transform: lowercase;" to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/en]] or do something else, as long as it does not affect all languages. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #26 from Melancholie 2009-01-09 04:54:18 UTC --- Just to drop a note [to be aware of]: As Meta and Commons are *the* major multilingual community wikis, the CSS workaround from above has been placed into [[meta:MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] and [[commons:MediaWiki:Navigation/de]]. Works fine. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #27 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-09 07:01:56 UTC --- Not fine, now Meta is using invalid XHTML: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMain_Page%3Fuselang%3Dde&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 I've reverted the addition to [[commons:MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] and requested that it be removed from [[meta:MediaWiki:Navigation/de]] as well. We need to fix this problem properly in MediaWiki itself, not by invalidating our code with hacks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #28 from Melancholie 2009-01-09 07:43:18 UTC --- Note that this is only a ridiculous 'nested elements ' error, only shown if a user has specified 'de' as his/her UI language. Is it really necessary to revert this? CSS invalidities do not break anything, in contrast to JS invalidities. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #29 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-09 07:49:46 UTC --- It's not a CSS invalidity, it's an XHTML invalidity, and I'm poring over the MediaWiki source code right now trying to figure out where MediaWiki:Navigation is actually called. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #30 from Melancholie 2009-01-09 07:53:47 UTC --- Äh, XHTML of course. But my opinion is that visible issues are more important than invisible/un-severe ones. A (soon) proper solution would be the best though. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #31 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-09 09:07:04 UTC --- XHTML errors can cause tools that parse sites like XML to blow up. We don't want invisible problems suddenly flaring up in odd places. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #32 from Brion Vibber 2009-01-09 18:30:16 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=5656) --> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5656) Screen shot of English Wikipedia with current lowercase headings/links For comparison purposes... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #33 from Brion Vibber 2009-01-09 18:31:38 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=5657) --> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5657) Screen shot of English Wikipedia without text-transform on MonoBook skin For comparison purposes; English Wikipedia with the text-transforms disabled in the MonoBook skin. It doesn't look much different, and probably wouldn't garner too many complaints. Most people probably wouldn't notice. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 Brion Vibber changed: What|Removed |Added CC||br...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #34 from Brion Vibber 2009-01-09 18:35:06 UTC --- Wouldn't hurt to float just removing the text-transforms by default. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #35 from Aryeh Gregor 2009-01-09 18:35:59 UTC --- Float where? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #36 from Brion Vibber 2009-01-09 18:37:52 UTC --- In the community! Tell your friends, tell your mom, tell your blog, whoever. :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #37 from Melancholie 2009-01-10 03:18:18 UTC --- Note that those words that will be shown capitalized can easily be lowercased again by editing [[MediaWiki:Edit]], [[MediaWiki:Navigation]] etc. See [[wikt:de:Wiktionary:Hauptseite]] for example, where all adjectives on top (tabs) are lowercased. Removing 'text-transform:lowercase' and *correcting* the system messages (if desired) seems reasonable. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #38 from Melancholie 2009-01-10 03:22:12 UTC --- "Wiktionary:Hauptseite" had been a bad example (no adjectives ;-) [[wikt:de:example]] is a better one, showing at least "bearbeiten" (if logged out). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #39 from Melancholie 2009-01-10 03:26:29 UTC --- > adjectives->verbs (me fool ;-) sorry for spamming, unfortunately it's no wiki -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #40 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-10 03:44:02 UTC --- [[MediaWiki:Edit]], [[MediaWiki:Navigation]] etc. affect all skins, so making them lowercase would make the text lowercase even on skins where uppercase text is more appropriate. CSS is the right tool for the job here. I would really like to see a "uselang-de" class (or even a MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de message) that could be used to turn off the transformations if the page is using the German interface. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #41 from Melancholie 2009-01-10 04:02:11 UTC --- There is a [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]], but it doesn't get used (as only [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] is used); but maybe .../de could be imported surplus? See comment #20: > Someone has to find a way to include [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]] into the > generated CSS file by software, as currently only the > [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] file content seems to be send to clients. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #42 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-10 08:38:52 UTC --- > --- Comment #41 from Melancholie 2009-01-10 > 04:02:11 UTC --- > There is a [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de]], but it doesn't get used (as only > [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] is used); but maybe .../de could be imported > surplus? Not a bad idea, but I don't think that would completely solve the problem...think of what would happen if you wanted to see the English-language interface on a German-language wiki. Monobook would have text-transform:lowercase, then MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de would override it with text-transform:none, and finally MediaWiki:Monobook.css/en wouldn't do anything because it assumes that Monobook's text-transform:lowercase is still in force. Thus, the user interface elements would still be capitalized even in English where decapitalizing them is desirable. In other words, we would have to add text-transform:lowercase to every single language-specific Monobook.css in order to properly allow multiple user interface languages on a German-language wiki. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #43 from Aryeh Gregor 2009-01-11 00:43:57 UTC --- (In reply to comment #40) > I would really > like to see a "uselang-de" class (or even a MediaWiki:Monobook.css/de message) > that could be used to turn off the transformations if the page is using the > German interface. Keep in mind that the interface language is not necessarily used for *all* interface messages. Look at the navbar on dewiki in English, or the enwiki one with German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite?uselang=en http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page?uselang=de They're a mix of English and German messages in each case. You're going to get wrong results by trying to key off interface message: it has to be done on a message-by-message basis to be actually correct. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #44 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-11 01:11:08 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=5661) --> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5661) Proposed patch v1 Ah, I see now. You have a good point. Here is a patch I made a few days ago, but was reluctant to post because I wasn't sure it was the best solution. This patch loosens HTML restrictions on the affected German messages and wraps them in to override Monobook's automatic decapitalization. Incidentally, having msgHtml return unescaped text and wfMsgHtml return escaped text is quite confusing. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #45 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-11 01:28:57 UTC --- Never mind, forget the patch. I just realized that it breaks the Modern skin and there's no way around that. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to offer a userLang-de class, and just accept that that will turn off decapitalization on all messages no matter the language. That wouldn't be so bad, would it? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #46 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-11 01:31:04 UTC --- And by "no matter the language" I meant "no matter the content language if the user language is German". -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 rememberthe...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #5661 is|0 |1 obsolete|| --- Comment #47 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-01-31 20:20:01 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=5757) --> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5757) Proposed patch v2 This is a much nicer patch that adds lang="de" to the affected interface messages, with matching CSS rules to turn off the text-transform. It also cuts a line of redundancy out of Skin.php and patches a security vulnerability where a malicious user could insert arbitrary HTML into [[MediaWiki:Navigation]]. lang="de" is applied no matter whether or not a German message is actually available. This is a bit hacky, but it will prevent ugly mixtures of text-transform:lowercase and text-transform:none. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #48 from Aryeh Gregor 2009-02-01 00:42:57 UTC --- 1) The proposed patch will fail in IE6, which does not support the [attr=val] selector. If use of advanced selectors were possible, incidentally, :lang() would almost certainly be superior, or at least [lang^=de-] to avoid some of the repetition. 2) I'm not sure it's a good idea to assume that Language::getCode() is valid to put in an HTML lang= attribute. The latter requires that only RFC1766 codes may be used: does getCode() only output those, or does it also output invalid codes in some cases? 3) You should probably ask Tim or Brion for commit access, if you haven't already. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 rememberthe...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #5757 is|0 |1 obsolete|| --- Comment #49 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-02-01 02:31:54 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=5764) --> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5764) Proposed patch v3 :lang() would be best, but it doesn't work on IE7. [lang|=de] seems most reasonable option to me, the other methods are hackish. IE6 users that can't be bothered to upgrade will just have to suffer with the status quo of no capitalization. Don't we already use getCode() for ? If I understand the specifications correctly, MediaWiki's non-deprecated language codes are standards-compliant, even the more unusual ones. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/dirlang.html#h-8.1.1 even includes the example "en-cockney" as a valid language code. I haven't asked for commit access; I figured that if the developers thought I should have access, they'd offer it ;-). It would be useful for trivial changes, but even if I had commit access, I'd still have to run stuff like this patch by the other developers to catch problems like the one you mentioned. And I'm still a bit unsure if accessing $wgLang directly is the best idea - maybe the call to getLang() would be more elegant if it were integrated into OutputPage or something. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #50 from Aryeh Gregor 2009-02-01 02:40:01 UTC --- (In reply to comment #49) > I haven't asked for commit access; I figured that if the developers thought I > should have access, they'd offer it ;-). To the extent that that's how things work, that's what just happened, seeing as I *am* a developer. You've gotten enough patches accepted that I think you'll be given commit access if you ask. So ask and make things easier on all of us. > It would be useful for trivial > changes, but even if I had commit access, I'd still have to run stuff like > this > patch by the other developers to catch problems like the one you mentioned. All changes are reviewed. Developers can comment on mediawiki.org after commit, and if there are problems it will be reverted before going live. You can still submit stuff for review on Bugzilla if you like, even if you have commit access. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #51 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-02-17 18:24:11 UTC --- I e-mailed Brion two weeks ago and Tim a week ago asking for commit access. Neither has replied. Would you be willing to commit the patch? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #52 from Aryeh Gregor 2009-02-17 21:23:07 UTC --- I asked Brion on IRC, he says he's now sent you a reply asking for account details. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #53 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-03-03 19:16:04 UTC --- After four e-mails to Brion and one e-mail to Tim, I still have not been given commit access. What do you suggest? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #54 from Aryeh Gregor 2009-03-03 22:29:48 UTC --- He says it's on his list and he'll get to it. You'll have to wait a while longer, I guess, or else be more aggressive in pestering people on IRC. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 --- Comment #55 from Brion Vibber 2009-03-05 01:13:01 UTC --- Please don't use Bugzilla as a chat forum. :) Commit setups are reached in batches. Patches can be applied by any developer at any time. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 1553] Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 rememberthe...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED --- Comment #56 from rememberthe...@gmail.com 2009-04-09 05:28:21 UTC --- Patch committed in r49331. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
