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Thanks for this work, much appreciated!

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 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #38 from Krinkle  ---
Closing this bug in MediaWiki core.

* MediaWiki now provides the wgRCFeeds and MachineReadableRCFeedFormatter
interfaces. These don't set up their own subscribable web service, but that
seems outside of the scope for MediaWiki. The interface to broadcast to such a
service (set up by the server admin) exists, and that seems enough.



* While this bug specifically requested XMPP, the overall use case for
Wikimedia wikis is bug 14045. It focusses on setting up a public service that
will make use of this feed for Wikimedia wikis (though JSON-based, not XML like
this bug suggested). If we really want XMPP specifically, we should file a new
bug for that I think,

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Sometimes it takes more than 5 years, but it's great to see that stuff is
happening!

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--- Comment #36 from Gerrit Notification Bot  ---
Change 131040 merged by Faidon Liambotis:
Add 'rcstream' module for broadcasting recent changes over WebSockets

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131040

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--- Comment #35 from Gerrit Notification Bot  ---
Change 131040 had a related patch set uploaded by Ori.livneh:
Add 'rcstream' module for broadcasting recent changes over WebSockets

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131040

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--- Comment #34 from Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)  ---
Relevant:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Publishing_the_RecentChanges_feed

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Bug 17450 depends on bug 24836, which changed state.

Bug 24836 Summary: Install Extension:XMLRC on test.wikipedia.org
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24836

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--- Comment #33 from Nemo_bis  2012-02-19 10:03:23 UTC 
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This feature would be the long-term solution to problems like 34508 (not
marking as blocker since a near-term solution will be pursued perhaps).

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--- Comment #32 from X!  2010-10-12 00:16:57 UTC ---
math is in there for historical reasons. However, I do know that extensions
like timeline, etc have been denied merging with core for non-PHP-ness.

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--- Comment #31 from MZMcBride  2010-10-11 22:54:43 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> All right then, don't bother with the library. I would LOVE to see this, at
> least on test.wikipedia.org for testing.

This is bug 24836.

(In reply to comment #29)
> Just realized that this would not be able to be placed in core as it stands
> (which is what I would like to see eventually), due to the Python 
> prerequisite.

Well, there's nothing to say that core has to be pure PHP. In fact, parts
currently aren't (like math support). It should certainly be discouraged,
though.

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--- Comment #30 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-10-11 21:29:27 
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perhaps the bit that emits the udp packets could be split of and put into core
- that's the part that is actually a proper mediawiki extension. the rest is
utilities, really...

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--- Comment #29 from X!  2010-10-11 17:11:50 UTC ---
Just realized that this would not be able to be placed in core as it stands
(which is what I would like to see eventually), due to the Python prerequisite.

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--- Comment #28 from ir...@rkrahl.de 2010-10-11 16:11:51 UTC ---
I would appreciate having XMLRC enabled on the Wikimedia wiki family soon as it
is *really* helpful in writing RC appliations.  Especially on writing new
programs and scripts (as I am doing at the moment) it is suboptimal if you have
to implement IRC support knowing that a. it will be outdated soon and b. it is
very complicated to extract the real information from the mixture of color
codes and special characters.  So I want to confirm the previous wishes for
quick activation.

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--- Comment #27 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-08-18 08:30:42 
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I have described the prototype setup at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Recentchanges_via_XMPP

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--- Comment #26 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-08-18 07:29:55 
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(In reply to comment #25)
> Quick query, why use just XML? It would be nice to be able to get an alternate
> format on request, such as JSON or serialized PHP.

Two reasons: 

1) XMPP supports XML payload - that means I can embed XML natively in XMPP
stanzas. No need for wrapping, escaping or encoding. It will also get parsed
automatically, and is accessible directly in the xmpp client framework. 

2) there are no requests. Everyone gets the same data, this is basically a
multicast setup. Broadcasting everything in all formats would be silly.

That being said: I'm thinking about making an XMPP interface to the API, so
people can send queries and receive answers via XMPP. In that case, supporting
different formats would be an option, though it still seems silly: with XMPP,
XML parsing comes for free, handling any other format adds work and cost.

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--- Comment #25 from X!  2010-08-17 23:33:40 UTC ---
Quick query, why use just XML? It would be nice to be able to get an alternate
format on request, such as JSON or serialized PHP.

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--- Comment #24 from X!  2010-08-17 17:36:06 UTC ---
All right then, don't bother with the library. I would LOVE to see this, at
least on test.wikipedia.org for testing.

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--- Comment #23 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-08-17 15:59:30 
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(In reply to comment #21)
or do you mean in the regular xmpp message body? that'S up the xmpp library, i
won't mess with that. anyway, it's all on one line.

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--- Comment #22 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-08-17 15:58:34 
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(In reply to comment #21)
> You may want to set the xml:space="preserve" attribute in the  tag, so
> XML parsers will leave whitespace in the content alone.

Uh, i could, but... there's no text, all information is in attributes. So i see
no point...

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--- Comment #21 from X!  2010-08-17 15:46:30 UTC ---
You may want to set the xml:space="preserve" attribute in the  tag, so
XML parsers will leave whitespace in the content alone.

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--- Comment #20 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-08-17 15:31:56 
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I finished XMLRC, an extension implementing this:
. I have set up a demo on the
toolserver (fed by polling the API). You can join it at
enw...@conference.jabber.toolserver.org using any jabber client. 

The human readable messages are similar to the ones send to the RC channels on
IRC, but there's extra XML payload in the messages, like this:


  [[List of Knight's Cross recipients: Z]]  
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=378715833&rcid=389791968&oldid=378714319&title=List+of+Knight%27s+Cross+recipients%3A+Z
* 
MisterBee1966 * (+1203) /* Recipients */
  

  


The extension includes a demo client in python.

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--- Comment #19 from MZMcBride  2010-07-22 23:55:27 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #18)
> What XMPP size limit are you referring to? I thought one of the advantages of
> XMPP is that it does not specify a hardcoded limit on the size of XMPP 
> stanzas.
> http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/stanzalimits.html

I think comment 17 was referring to the IRC-related idea in comment 16.

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--- Comment #18 from tisane2...@gmail.com 2010-07-22 23:44:56 UTC ---
What XMPP size limit are you referring to? I thought one of the advantages of
XMPP is that it does not specify a hardcoded limit on the size of XMPP stanzas.
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/stanzalimits.html

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--- Comment #17 from Niklas Laxström  2010-07-19 
05:35:06 UTC ---
You would hit the size limit of one message quite quickly.

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--- Comment #16 from Soxred93  2010-07-19 01:02:05 UTC ---
Perhaps an alternate method while this is being implemented is to set up an
alternate IRC server that sends JSON-encoded messages to make it easier to
program bots?

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--- Comment #15 from tisane2...@gmail.com 2010-07-17 15:26:10 UTC ---
*** Bug 23001 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #14 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-07-17 09:41:54 
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@tisane: that class is work in progress, i never got around to finishing it. i
think i was using the xmpphp library, but i'm not sure any more. writing the
xmpp connector (direct, and more imprtantly a standalone udp-to-xmpp bridge) is
still on my todo list.

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--- Comment #13 from tisane2...@gmail.com 2010-07-16 15:53:47 UTC ---
I notice that XMLRC_XMPP.class.php has this line: include( "XMPP.php" );

But, there is no XMPP.php in the XMLRC directory in SVN. What PHP XMPP library
should be used with this? There seem to be several available on the Internet.

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--- Comment #12 from Brion Vibber  2010-06-06 20:46:39 UTC ---
Best way to include text is probably to have distinct feeds you could subscribe
to for metadata-only and metadata-plus-full text.  That'll keep the main feeds
lightweight, but let's those who need the text avoid an extra web hit.

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--- Comment #11 from tisane2...@gmail.com 2010-06-05 17:08:06 UTC ---
Is there any possibility of, in addition to summary, user, etc., also
distributing the new article contents via XMPP when edits are made? That could
take some load off the servers by eliminating the need for bots to query the
API for article contents, e.g. when they suspect vandalism and need to check it
out.

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--- Comment #10 from Guandalug  2010-06-05 13:50:53 
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Just a 2-Months-later-poke

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--- Comment #9 from Daniel Kinzler  2010-02-28 21:06:43 
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@Gurch this has been sitting on my todo-list for some time now, but I plan to
make serious progress on this in march and April. The part for emitting XML via
UDP is pretty much done, the bit I have to do is a udp-to-xmpp-bridge that
stuffs that XML info a MUC or, better, pubsub  channel. 

Poke me again in a month or so.

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--- Comment #8 from Gurch  2010-02-28 12:25:13 
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Is this still being worked on? I've been told not to make changes to the IRC
recent changes feed because it's going to be replaced by this, yet all I see is
some old discussion. Meanwhile core MediaWiki functionality is completely
unsupported in the feed making client applications far more inefficient than
they should be.  I don't have the necessary access/knowledge to progress this
issue further (apparently some kind of test server needs to be set up) but I am
more than capable of modifying the feed code.

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--- Comment #7 from Daniel Kinzler   2009-11-08 10:11:08 
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Code for generating the XML notification messages, and some rudiments of XMPP
integration, are in SVN at
. The code
is somewhat incomplete and largely untested though, pending a test setup with a
working XMPP server (poke poke brion wink wink).


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--- Comment #6 from Derk-Jan Hartman   2009-05-22 
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This would also be wonderful for SUL talkpage changes. I'd love to be able to
receive notifications of stuff like that in my Adium client for instance. 


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--- Comment #5 from Daniel Kinzler   2009-04-15 07:33:05 
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This was discussed at the developer meet-up in Berlin. Notes here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009/Notes/XMPP

Catrope and Leafnode said they would work on it.


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--- Comment #4 from Mike.lifeguard   2009-02-12 
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(In reply to comment #1)
> marking the more general bug 14045 as dependant on this.
> 

So the intent is definitely to provide an easy-to-parse/machine-readable feed
specifically intended for this use? *drools*


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--- Comment #3 from Brion Vibber   2009-02-12 00:13:01 UTC 
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nom nom nom :)

To summarize for those too lazy to go read the awesome blog post:

* Provide for Jabber output embedding XML payload in format of API
recentchanges feed
* Some internal interface making it easy for MW to ship those out to a Jabber
server to send to the outside world (some handy
UDP-packet-stream-to-XMPP-bridge so we can use off-the-shelf Jabber server for
that part?)
* in future, consider options for pubsub/filtering fancy stuff


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--- Comment #2 from Daniel Kinzler   2009-02-12 00:04:29 
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To carify: I wrote about why it does NOT make sense to provide the feed via
IRC, and why XMPP would be much better.
http://brightbyte.de/page/RecentChanges_via_Jabber


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--- Comment #1 from Daniel Kinzler   2009-02-12 00:03:21 
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marking the more general bug 14045 as dependant on this.


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