[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-09-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #44 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  ---
Well in theory they should be separate, in practise i doubt it would do much
good unless someone was specificly comitted to implementing some format
(splitting conversations rarely serves to attract more people in my experiance)

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-09-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #43 from Marco  ---
Having a quick look at the comments suggests that this should be considered a
tracking bug covering the 3D support in general.

Also, it is probably more clear to separate each request related to 3D support
into a new bug report.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-09-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #42 from Jean-Fred  ---

> Is this bug about 3D support in general, or a specific file format in
> particular? Shall I open a bug for, say, AMF support, or shall we consider
> this is covered by the general topic of this bug?

Up-ing this :)

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-09-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #41 from Jean-Fred  ---
I was reviewing [[COM:UNSUPPORTED]] earlier, to check if there were bugs opened
for every needed feature.

Is this bug about 3D support in general, or a specific file format in
particular? Shall I open a bug for, say, AMF support, or shall we consider this
is covered by the general topic of this bug?

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-03-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #40 from Gilles Dubuc  ---
I'm not working on those bugs at the moment, the upcoming April 12th launch of
Media Viewer is keeping us extremely busy. Once that's out of the way we'll
start working on other projects, particularly Upload Wizard and the upload
pipeline in general.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #39 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  ---
To clarify (sorry for not doing so originally, i was in a rush), first issue is
a combination of bug 62306 and bug 32387. This is currently assigned to gilles
(which i didnt realize when mentioning it), so he might already be working on
it (or might not, its been assigned for a while. Would have to ask him). Note
that bug isnt that hard to code once you know what to do (although still a bit
harder than average "easy" bug), but its not immediatly obvious what needs to
be done. Anyways what im trying to say is if you want to tackle that bug, youre
almost certainly going to need to ask for guidance, so dont be afraid to.

The other two are a bit simpler albeit not as closely related to your project.
You may want to start trying with them They are bug 62909 and bug 62870. The
hardest part of those bugs will probably be actually testing gwtoolset to see
if your change worked, and dealing with the somewhat different coding
conventions the extension uses.

Sorry i cant think of any simpler open multimedia related bugs.
---

Actually super simple open bug you could do - new special page that was just
added named Special:ListDuplicateFiles uses the wfMessage() function where it
should use $this->msg( ...) instead. Thats not all that related to your
project, but it is multimedia related and should be an easy first commit.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1790

--- Comment #38 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  ---
(In reply to Quim Gil from comment #37)
> First things first, and the first thing is Umang's evaluation. Could you
> point to annoying litle bugs or other bug reports that he could work on to
> show off his skills? Thank you.

One possible task (this is a bit harder then most easy bugs, but only one i
could think of off the top of my head) is to change max size handling code.
Currently it is in the validateParam method. Instead max Size should be
returned from its own method in MediaHandler, which should be checked from
File::doTransform.

This way it would be cleaner to override, could be discarded for instant
commons, and could have its own error message instead of the current useless
generic one.

Other possibly easy bugs: gwtoolset blacklist to strict, gwtoolset doesnt
normalize unicode (run Utf::cleanUp() on input from xml file)

All these have bug numbers, but not sure atm.


> 
> PS: also wondering, is it worth to contact the Blender team to see whether
> they would like to (co-)mentor? The Blender Foundation is also participating
> in GSoC 2014. I have no idea about this feature and its relation to Blender,
> but here is the thought.

Its looks like it wont even be blenders format.

Personally this seems about as much to do with blender as say our png
thumbnailing code has to do with gimp (that is just very tagentially).

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #37 from Quim Gil  ---
This functionality was featured as a Wikimedia GSoC 2014 project idea, and
Umang responded to it. He is doing his homework, but he need mentors to
evaluate his proposal and, eventually, form a team to complete this task.

Bryan Davis is offering help as secondary mentor, but he is already primary
mentor for another project. Can someone volunteer, please?

First things first, and the first thing is Umang's evaluation. Could you point
to annoying litle bugs or other bug reports that he could work on to show off
his skills? Thank you.

PS: also wondering, is it worth to contact the Blender team to see whether they
would like to (co-)mentor? The Blender Foundation is also participating in GSoC
2014. I have no idea about this feature and its relation to Blender, but here
is the thought.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-03-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1790

--- Comment #36 from Quim Gil  ---
Hi Umang, my very suimple feedback is: make sure you don't miss the GSoC 2014
application deadline (tomorrow). We will have some extra days to discuss your
proposal after that, but if you miss the deadline in Google Melange, Google
will make no exceptions.

Thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikimedia, and thank you also
for your willingness to solve a #1*** Bugzilla report!

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2014-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #35 from Umang  ---
This project has been a long standing community request and it would be great
if I were given the opportunity to work on this and make some progress. I have
planned a basic outline on how to approach the problem. I have decided to
provide a solution for either x3d or collada file formats(required for
representing computer graphics). I will work on the other if time is there
during my project. The plan I have proposed is to implement a solution on
similar lines as media wiki normally represents files by rendering it into a
.png file generating thumbnails by extracting meta data from image. I have
talked a bit about this to the only mentor (Bryan Davis) listed on the website
where this project was proposed. It would be great if some more interested
people have a look at my idea. Furthermore, I would like feedback on which file
format is more in demand currently(x3d or collada?). Also, if anyone has any
recommendations for efficient raster image generations do tell. Please go
through my proposal and tell me how can I improve it and make it up to the
expectations of the community.

Link : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Umang13/Gsoc14

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-10-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #34 from Greg Grossmeier  ---
(In reply to comment #33)
> This proposal is now featured at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_7

Someone with more knowledge of the requirements should make a standalone page
for this.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-10-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #33 from Quim Gil  ---
This proposal is now featured at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_7

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #32 from Nemo  ---
Do we have a wiki page summarising the status of this discussion/wishlist,
other than the strategywiki proposal I'm now adding in URL (and related ones in
the same category)?

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #31 from Greg Grossmeier  ---
To make it more clear what is going on, I've opened bug 52655, which is "Add
support for thumbnails and interactive views of 3D models", ie: the technical
ability of MediaWiki to do something meaningful with the files once they are
uploaded.

This bug is now a tracking bug for enabling the feature (once ready, no ETA at
all) on WMF wikis.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-06-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #30 from Quim Gil  ---
An update on mentorship projects: even if this request was featured in our
pages for Google Summer of Code and FOSS Outreach Program for Women (OPW) and
we had potential mentors for it, nobody stepped in.

It's still a featured project at
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#New_media_types_supported_in_Commons

The next stops in the mentored/paid calendar are the Wikimedia Individual
Engagement Grants https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG and the next OPW
round, both pointing at the end of the year.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-06-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #29 from Andre Klapper  ---
See comment 20 and comment 21 for how to help getting this request going. If
somebody is really actively working on this, feel free to increase the priority
to normal. However, fixing this is currently not considered urgent ("high").

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-06-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #28 from CMBJ  ---
I'd like to suggest that this bug's importance be changed to high enhancement -
it's blocking a great deal of content across multiple areas in multiple
projects.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #27 from Emw  ---
Daniel, I was responding to comment 18, which says "I think that the x3dom
system http://www.x3dom.org/ to output 3d files on wikis
is the best possible choice".  It'd probably make sense to track in its own
ticket, but a rendering system (which would presumably include some WebGL
framework) seems important to consider when thinking about how Commons might
handle 3D media files.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #26 from Daniel Friesen  ---
Emw, Three.js vs. x3dom is irrelevant to uploads.

X3DOM's popularity is irrelevant. What's being talked about is not X3DOM, it's
the .x3d file format. Which can be exported by whatever 3d tools people are
using and uploaded.

x3dom is primarily a viewer for .x3d files.

While Three.js is a library layer that allows you to write interactive 3d
things in the browser. While it supports importing COLLADA it's not a viewer.
You'd have to write your own viewer.

Apples and oranges.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from Emw  ---
I've been working on a solution to do enable browser-native, interactive 3D
models of proteins and DNA through the PDBHandler extension I've been
developing. Here are some thoughts on possible high-level requirements for a
potential GSoC project to enable broader support for interactive 3D models in
Wikimedia projects:

The solution should use WebGL by default.  It probably isn't worth mentioning,
but the solution should not use Java applets or Flash.

There needs to be a fallback for browsers that don't have WebGL enabled by
default.  Many browsers don't support it, or only partially support it: see
http://caniuse.com/webgl.  IE10 and below don't support WebGL, and I would
surprised if IE11 will.  WebGL is disabled by default in Safari 5.1 and 6.0, so
Safari can effectively be considered to not support it.

The fallback should support rendering to the 3D model as a static image.  This
is needed to support printing articles with 3D models, and would be a
reasonable fallback for browsers that don't have WebGL enabled.  

Regarding the WebGL framework used, I'd be interested to learn more about how
X3DOM compares to Three.js.  A brief comparison is here:
http://weblog.benjaminsommer.com/blog/2012/05/13/comparison-of-webgl-framework-apis-part-5/.

Three.js seems drastically more popular than X3DOM.  Comparing some rough
metrics of developer interest:

GitHub: 
- https://github.com/x3dom/x3dom: 91 stars,  27 fork, 0 pull requests, 32
issues
- https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js: 10,494  stars,  1,979 fork, 26 pull
requests, 248 issues

Stackoverflow:
- 25 questions tagged for http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/x3dom
- 1,543 tagged questions for http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/three.js

IRC:
- 0 users on irc://freenode/x3dom (Googling gave no relevant results for 'x3dom
irc')
- 82 users on irc://freenode/three.js

There's also an O'Reilly book on Three.js (masquerading as a book on WebGL):
http://www.amazon.com/WebGL-Up-Running-Tony-Parisi/dp/144932357X.  I'm not
aware of any books about X3DOM.

The PDBHandler extension I've been working on also uses Three.js.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from mrjohncummi...@gmail.com ---
Any ideas where a mentor could be found? Happy to ask around but not sure I
know anyone who could be a mentor for this.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from Quim Gil  ---
The interest + no-opposition is indeed clear. I checked the Commons Village
Pump and I saw several discussions, one of them happening these days. 

All we need now is at least one mentor.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #22 from Jean-Fred  ---
I can say that interest for 3D rendering has regularly been voiced on Commons. 

If you need more direct input from the Commons community (a straw poll on a
statement of interest, a list of potential use cases), please let us know and
we’ll see what we can do.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from Quim Gil  ---
Thanks for the pointer, I have left a comment at EMW's talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Emw#Support_for_3D_files_and_Google_Summer_of_Code

Please do ask around. I think we have enough consensus about seeing progress in
this area. We could scope the GSOC project to the development of the extension.
If it's good then the Commons community will evaluate it but we don't need to
tie both things. Looks like a feature that makes sense and would be beneficial
on 3rd party MediaWikis as well.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from mrjohncummi...@gmail.com ---
As far as I understand it there is some work already done on 3d support by
wikipedia user:EMW http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PDBHandler

I personally think 3d models would make such an excellent edition to Mediawiki,
especially with sites like thingiverse which have many thousands of files that
have a compatible license and free photogrammetry tools available. 

I have no programming ability but would be happy to ask around for some
community support etc.

There are some projects that may be useful?

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/opendepth-point-cloud%20%20

http://code.google.com/p/open-3d-viewer/

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2013-03-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Quim Gil  ---
This feature request is being proposed at

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Add_support_for_x3d_3D_files_to_MediaWiki

and I'm considering whether to add it or not to 

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Project_ideas

Question:

Is there a potential mentor willing to help potential students interested in
this project?

Is there a reasonable support from the Commons community to incorporate this
feature if it's developed and meets the quality criteria?

Without these qualifications in place we can't even consider the proposal for
GSOC 2013.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2012-12-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1790

Tpt  changed:

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--- Comment #18 from Tpt  ---
Extension:X3d is based on a Java applet that can output subset of x3d and its
development looks stopped. So I don't think that this extension is the "ready
out of the box" solution we are looking for.

I think that the x3dom system http://www.x3dom.org/ to output 3d files on wikis
is the best possible choice because:
- x3d is an open standard well documented.
- most of 3d software can output in x3d.
- x3dom it's an active project with, I believe, a growing community.
- x3dom provide two fallback modes if the browser doesn't support x3d. The
first one that is based on webGL and the second one based on flash.
- Extension:X3d doesn't support all x3d features.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2012-12-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from Andre Klapper  ---
There is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:X3d but no idea about
maintenance and code quality. Testing and reviewing is probably welcome as a
first step.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2012-12-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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SJ  changed:

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--- Comment #16 from SJ  ---
I can't find any descriptions online of the scale and severity of "malicious
embedded stuff" problems with various data formats.  How did we choose the
formats that we don't support, back in the day?  

There should probably be a page on Commons dealing in detail with each class of
knowledge or data-format, and the problems that need to be overcome before we
can host such knowledge or formats.  

I don't actually know of a reason why we don't simply turn on uploading of a
bunch of these formats, considering their ubiquity in other data- and
file-sharing formats online; all we are doing is making it difficult for people
to find and share freely-licensed knowledge in those formats, not making it
difficult for someone with ill intent to share malicious hidden code.

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2012-12-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jean-Fred  changed:

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--- Comment #15 from Jean-Fred  ---
What is blocking here?

* A sanitizer to detect malicious code in the X3D file at upload time?
* A MediaWiki-integrated fallback mode?
* Both/other? 
* Does the large browser support for X3D help or not really?

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2012-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jean-Fred  changed:

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[Bug 1790] Allow uploading of Blender or other 3D files to Wikimedia Commons

2012-02-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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r...@ark.in-berlin.de changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Allow uploading of Blender  |Allow uploading of Blender
   |3D or COLLADA files to  |or other 3D files to
   |Wikimedia Commons   |Wikimedia Commons

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