[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||41492 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|need-review, patch | CC||suma...@panix.com --- Comment #28 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2011-11-25 02:56:03 UTC --- revvar, I'm sorry to say that this patch no longer applies cleanly to trunk; we delayed in reviewing it, for which I apologise, and the codebase has changed. If you have the time and the interest, please do revise it and reattach, and we'll be sure to review it a lot sooner this time. Thank you for the contribution. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #6987|0 |1 is obsolete|| --- Comment #29 from Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com 2011-11-25 02:56:25 UTC --- Comment on attachment 6987 -- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6987 Patch Obsolete per automated testing by Rusty, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-November/056340.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||gpaum...@wikimedia.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #27 from rev...@gmx.de 2010-01-20 17:10:49 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=6987) -- (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6987) Patch This patch shows hidden log content in the logs, if the user has the rights to unhide them. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 rev...@gmx.de changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||need-review, patch CC||rev...@gmx.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #26 from Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com 2009-11-18 20:13:23 UTC --- *** Bug 18753 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #22 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com 2009-10-02 16:01:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #21) What this *can* do is save a extra click though. An extra click for every row you need to click on, which may be hundreds. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #23 from FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com 2009-10-02 16:12:44 UTC --- We have collapse boxes for text sections. If we added inline collapse boxes to the common.js, then the log could have User (t|c|b) changed visibility of N entries in the Delete Log [list +/-] where the list expands on clicking to an in-line list of affected entries for those able to see it. Neat, quick to use, low clutter, and (hopefully) simple? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #24 from Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com 2009-10-02 16:16:25 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) We have collapse boxes for text sections. If we added inline collapse boxes to the common.js, then the log could have User (t|c|b) changed visibility of N entries in the Delete Log [list +/-] where the list expands on clicking to an in-line list of affected entries for those able to see it. This should be done by an asynchronous AJAX query, rather than having the content inline and hidden. Otherwise the amount of content being served on each pageview could become massive. But the principle is the same. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #25 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com 2009-10-02 16:34:43 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) where the list expands on clicking to an in-line list of affected entries for those able to see it. Sexy! But we'd also need a way to expand/collapse all of these on a page at once. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #19 from Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com 2009-09-02 23:36:03 UTC --- *I hide the entry in Special:Log/globalauth because it contains personal information (with the hide from sysops too option) Then go to that globalauth entry and click show/hide. That will give the reason. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #20 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com 2009-09-02 23:38:58 UTC --- (In reply to comment #19) Then go to that globalauth entry and click show/hide. That will give the reason. That makes sense for one or maybe two at a time. But if you need to quickly review several hundred... not so much -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #21 from Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com 2009-09-03 01:11:38 UTC --- (In reply to comment #20) (In reply to comment #19) Then go to that globalauth entry and click show/hide. That will give the reason. That makes sense for one or maybe two at a time. But if you need to quickly review several hundred... not so much Yes, but the point is that ... Nobody knows until you actually look and find it, which is a waste of time). doesn't really apply. What this *can* do is save a extra click though. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #17 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com 2009-07-18 15:16:58 UTC --- Aaron: Sorry for the confusion. I think part of the issue is a lack of experience with using the tools in various situations. After putting some more thought into this, I think the issue is primarily one of usability. While the information is there, it's hidden behind a click+page load. If you're looking for a particular entry, then opening each change visibility link in turn is your only strategy. Is it this one? No. Is it this one? No... isn't a very good strategy unless your goal is to waste time and energy. Instead, users who /could/ see the information, were they to click the change visibility link, should instead be shown that information upfront in the original log (ie where the information appeared before it was deleted/suppressed). In this way, searching through the logs would actually be fruitful for the people who actually need to use these features. Take an example: *I lock+hide User:Mike.lifeguard's address is 123 Main St., chic...@global. *I block the local account using hideuser - this is logged in it's entirety in the suppression log, so it is very easy to find. *I hide the entry in Special:Log/globalauth because it contains personal information (with the hide from sysops too option) *Now, the information is gone from Special:Log/globalauth *and* it doesn't appear in Special:Log/suppress (except behind a change visibility link -- but which one? Nobody knows until you actually look and find it, which is a waste of time). **INSTEAD: In Special:Log/globalauth, the entry remains (appropriate parts crossed+greyed out and with a bolded (show/hide) link (since it was hidden from sysops... if not, then that link wouldn't be bolded). There would still be a suppression log entry of the kind that exists now, however leaving the information available in the log where the suppressed content appeared makes this usable. To match this, consider putting blocks which use hideuser in the block log for those who are allowed to see them, but appropriately greyed out/crossed out. The suppression log should then have log entries which point (via change visibility links) to the more relevant logs (block log for hideuser-blocks, and globalauth log for entries hidden there, and so on) This leaves information where it can be most easily found by the people who need it, and retains the suppression log as a central place to see when/where such actions get taken, for oversight/audit purposes. In short: users who could see the information, were they to click the right change visibility link, should see the hidden information in the original location instead of s(log action removed)/s etc. The interface for users who aren't allowed to see the hidden information doesn't change. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #18 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com 2009-07-18 15:57:59 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=6359) -- (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6359) Mockup of a priviledged user's view of hidden log entries in situ Here's how two entries in the globalauth log would look to those with the appropriate rights to view this information. Unprivileged users would have the standard (log entry hidden) + greyed out. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||happy-me...@live.com Component|Deleting|Revision deletion -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||18840 --- Comment #16 from Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm 2009-05-21 03:19:31 UTC --- (In reply to comment #14) We should have a more informative log entry, such as; User (talk | contribs | block) changed event visibility of logid 4958 in the Move Log or include the related revision/logid within the edit summary. The logid is included, I think... but that's not informative for the user unless they specifically look up what that logid actually is. It's like saying someone deleted articleid X... not that great if we want this to be usable by mere mortals. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 en:Fl foxyloxy.wikime...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||foxyloxy.wikime...@gmail.com --- Comment #14 from en:Fl foxyloxy.wikime...@gmail.com 2009-05-10 03:47:00 UTC --- We should have a more informative log entry, such as; User (talk | contribs | block) changed event visibility of logid 4958 in the Move Log or include the related revision/logid within the edit summary. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #13 from Prodego prod...@gmail.com 2009-04-13 17:30:53 UTC --- At the moment (on WMF sites) admins don't have links either. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #8 from Prodego prod...@gmail.com 2009-04-07 14:16:07 UTC --- Also, some users can't see those links. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #9 from Gurch matthew.brit...@btinternet.com 2009-04-07 15:31:02 UTC --- In fact, almost all users can't see them. :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jschulz_4...@msn.com --- Comment #6 from Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com 2009-04-07 02:44:27 UTC --- Isn't there a (change visibility) link that gives the hidden item? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #7 from Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm 2009-04-07 03:53:00 UTC --- Right, but if you want to look at the last 50 log entries that were suppressed or deleted, you have to load up 50 of those links. Like I said, that's a huge usability issue. If the user can see that information anyways, just put it in the suppression log directly instead of hiding it behind a link. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #3 from Alex Z. mrzmanw...@gmail.com 2009-04-04 17:17:27 UTC --- I think a link to the log entry would probably be better, otherwise, you could end up with some /really/ long entries in the deletion log, a max of 255 bytes for the comment of each log entry, plus the title and username, etc. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #4 from Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm 2009-04-04 17:54:35 UTC --- True... also showing each log line would be equivalent to showing 2, since you have to get the one it refers to as well... making things twice as expensive sounds bad when a simple link would do the trick just as well. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 --- Comment #5 from Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm 2009-04-05 02:57:05 UTC --- Currently blocks using hideuser are logged in their entirety in the suppression log, but for deleting log entries, you only get a useless entry saying that someone hid something for some reason - but no indication of what it was. If you can see the suppress log then you should be able to see that information without hunting it down. This is a big usability issue. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18335] Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335 Alex Z. mrzmanw...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mrzmanw...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from Alex Z. mrzmanw...@gmail.com 2009-04-04 02:44:50 UTC --- What happens if the comment or the user is hidden later? Then the comment of the initial log deletion entry would have to be hidden as well. The timestamp could probably be included though. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
