[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2012-10-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2011-08-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780

Bug 18780 depends on bug 21279, which changed state.

Bug 21279 Summary: Regular deletion of revisions deleted with rev_deleted 
breaks links in log entries
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21279

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED
 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2011-03-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com 2011-03-17 13:15:52 UTC ---
Note - Log breakage issues are covered in bug 21279.

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2011-03-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780

Bug 18780 depends on bug 23329, which changed state.

Bug 23329 Summary: MFT: Filtering contributions for revision deletion
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23329

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-05-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com changed:

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 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #21 from Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com 2010-05-18 14:06:01 UTC ---
This one seems to be enabled now. 

http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt

'groupOverrides2' = array(
'default' = array(
'sysop' = array(
'deleterevision' = true,

See also:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21165#c12

Closing ticket

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-05-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com changed:

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 Resolution|FIXED   |

--- Comment #22 from FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com 2010-05-19 00:48:38 UTC ---
Following discussion Werdna is considering this one along witht he others
involved. Reopening until the decision is finalized.

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-05-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Casey Brown cbrown1...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #23 from Casey Brown cbrown1...@gmail.com 2010-05-19 02:14:57 UTC 
---
(In reply to comment #22)
 Following discussion Werdna is considering this one along witht he others
 involved. Reopening until the decision is finalized.

Hmmm?  It's enabled still, so the bug is fixed.  If someone disables it, *then*
reopen the bug.

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com 2010-04-26 
07:03:32 UTC ---
Is Aaron still tasked with revision deletion stuff? Has anyone made a decision
about the blockers yet?

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780

Bug 18780 depends on bug 20186, which changed state.

Bug 20186 Summary: Allow filtering history and contributions lists for revision 
deletion
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from xenocidic xenow...@gmail.com 2010-04-26 19:45:19 UTC ---
Please enable this.

The ability for administrators to quickly and efficiently remove sensitive or
dangerous content without having to email oversight or use a wonky
delete/restore selected revisions should trump the concern of not being able to
link efficiently to the log action.

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from DerHexer wikipedia_emails-nachfr...@yahoo.de 2010-04-26 
20:28:49 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #19)
 Please enable this.
 
 The ability for administrators to quickly and efficiently remove sensitive or
 dangerous content without having to email oversight or use a wonky
 delete/restore selected revisions should trump the concern of not being able 
 to
 link efficiently to the log action.

That's just one opinion. I prefer transparency and reversibility instead of
quickness or efficiency.

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-02-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2010-01-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-12-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from DerHexer wikipedia_emails-nachfr...@yahoo.de  2009-12-11 
17:18:43 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #14)
 That's exactly the problem. It actually doesn't. 
 
 For revdeleted diffs, a link to the diff shows a link to view its contents...
 a good enough permanent link
 
 The problem is, if the revision is at any time later, deleted or undeleted, 
 the
 log link breaks. It doesn't even just slightly break - it breaks completely. 
 It
 becomes extremely difficult to see what revisions were being referred to.
 

If you'd restore the previous state (deleted resp. undeleted) [e.g. by deleting
or restoring all revision] the log link will not break anylonger. But that's
not a solution.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-12-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Bug 18780 depends on bug 20928, which changed state.

Bug 20928 Summary: Change visibility fails if existing states not identical. 
Use tri-state buttons?
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20928

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED



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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-12-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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David biblical_charac...@yahoo.com changed:

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--- Comment #16 from David biblical_charac...@yahoo.com  2009-12-09 17:30:04 
UTC ---
For smaller wikis, abandoning delete almost altogether and moving it to an
admin-only Deleted: namespace then deleting the resulting redirect may be a
solution.  I don't see this as viable on en-wiki.

[Very] long-term, introducing a delete+revdelete 2.0 which is rewritten from
scratch may be the way to go.  However, this would be a major undertaking and
likely wouldn't be worth the effort if there is any easier, even partial
solution, that allows the wikis to do what they want to do.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-12-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #12 from FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com  2009-12-01 08:02:43 UTC ---
Having worked with RevisionDelete intensely (producing stats for its usage,
interface work, bug hunting, oversighter), my main concern is the effect of bug
21279. Log, revision and action links break all over the place in a
non-intuitive and non-easy-fixable manner, because revisions can move between
normal and deleted -- and the two use entirely different (incompatible)
schemas and link notation.

Revisions are identified via oldid=.. on wiki, but via Special:Undelete +
timestamp (!) if deleted.

Revisiondeleted items are identified by revisionid and the parameter
revision in the link on wiki, but archive if deleted.

So a revision that is deleted or undeleted (as opposed to RevDelete visibility
changed) causes any and all links to the revision, to any diffs involving the
revision, and to any delete log entries concerning revDelete actions about the
revision, to break.

Worse: even given a (deleted or normal) revision, a (deleted or normal) diff or
a log entry reference, identifying the item concerned can be very difficult or
impossible, other than by undeleting all and hoping the link works again, then
re-deleting.

Having seen this close up, this one's a breaker for me: Admins need to be
able to use those logs as a tool to review others' actions. I couldn't advocate
giving RevDelete to a few thousand admins across multiple wikis, until this is
resolved and links relied on by admins for scrutiny, review and understanding,
won't fail without a clue following every delete/undelete action. 

Several possible fixes are discussed in bug 21279 and include a revision is
deleted bit (bug 21279 comment #2, Happy-melon, also allows withdrawal of
oversight in full), once-off schema change so that all revisions whether
deleted or not use the same revisionID to identify them plus a conversion table
for old timestamp links to revisionID so existing links still work (bug 18104),
or creation of a RevisionMove tool so that selective undelete can be withdrawn
(bug 21312).


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-12-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from Jake Wartenberg j...@jakewartenberg.com  2009-12-01 
21:33:41 UTC ---
I don't think this should be a blocker.  For revdeleted diffs, a link to the
diff shows a link to view its contents to those with permission to do so.  That
seems to be a good enough permanent link to me.  What is more, transparency
actually gets a whole lot better, because, as you say, a link to a diff deleted
with selective deletion as is the practice now will completely break.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-12-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com  2009-12-01 22:35:10 UTC ---
That's exactly the problem. It actually doesn't. 

For revdeleted diffs, a link to the diff shows a link to view its contents...
a good enough permanent link

The problem is, if the revision is at any time later, deleted or undeleted, the
log link breaks. It doesn't even just slightly break - it breaks completely. It
becomes extremely difficult to see what revisions were being referred to.

As someone who has spent most of 2009 trying to get RevisionDelete ready to
use, bug hunting, interface cleanup, and the like, I would dearly love to see
it in use by administrators on the projects that wish it enabled. But I've
already hit more than a few times, trying to work out what went on in a dispute
or article history, where it's almost impossible because the links to the diffs
in the logs are effectively junk links. The log entry becomes completely
unusable. There's a note that admin X did Y for some reason, and no way to
click through or find what revisions they did it on, and no way to see the
underlying material. Sometimes theer are few deleted revisions and it's easy.
Not all the time. If that's being hit often enough to impede admin work, when
RevDelete is only used by oversighters, then it's going to happen more
frequently if opened up to 1700 admins. An issue that kills log links this way,
is likely to be a blocker by any definition.


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--- Comment #15 from Jake Wartenberg j...@jakewartenberg.com  2009-12-01 
22:46:50 UTC ---
I get it now.  That is quite a problem.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-11-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Aaron Schulz jschulz_4...@msn.com changed:

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-11-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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DerHexer wikipedia_emails-nachfr...@yahoo.de changed:

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-11-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from en:Fl foxyloxy.wikime...@gmail.com  2009-11-23 07:23:50 
UTC ---
It should be noted that the enwiki community has reached consensus on the
feature being enabled for administrators and has approved a policy for its use.
bug 21165 requests that the feature be enabled.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-08-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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DerHexer wikipedia_emails-nachfr...@yahoo.de changed:

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-08-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from MZMcBride pub...@mzmcbride.com  2009-08-11 06:27:36 UTC 
---
* bug 19199 -- could change the entire configuration, if implemented.
* bug 17881 -- if admins start doing suppression frequently, end users will
want to Special:Log/suppress to be a bit more intuitive.
* bug 15814 -- tagged with schema-change; unclear whether this was / needs to
be applied to WMF wikis.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com  2009-08-10 
23:10:15 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #7)
 Please note this keeps coming up repeatedly, and repeatedly people seem very
 confused that this hasn't been done. What will it take to have this enabled?
 

Brion wanted to be sure there were no open bugs that would block this from
being done. FTR, I did look through open revision deletion bugs and although
there is still work to do, I didn't see anything that'd block this from being
done. The relevant ones are:
*bug 18335 (which probably deserves a once-over from Brion, he may consider it
a blocker)
*bug 17806
*bug 18862


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org  2009-08-10 23:27:38 UTC 
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Assigning this to me to double-check anything else we need to do before setting
it up...


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-08-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780





--- Comment #7 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com  2009-08-05 
03:31:17 UTC ---
Please note this keeps coming up repeatedly, and repeatedly people seem very
confused that this hasn't been done. What will it take to have this enabled?


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-08-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-07-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780


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--- Comment #5 from Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex] alex.emsenhu...@bluewin.ch  
2009-07-27 18:32:41 UTC ---
*** Bug 19697 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-06-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780


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--- Comment #3 from Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com  2009-06-03 
23:26:26 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #1)
 Do we actually want to do this? The use case for removing individual old
 versions should be pretty rare, which is why we've got it in a tiny subgroup.
 

Yes. Wasn't that always the intention?

(In reply to comment #2)
 Well, this feature is intended to replace the God-awful delete the whole page
 and restore certain revisions hack. Whether or not there are few enough
 requests to keep this feature in the hands of only oversighters is unclear.
 Surely someone will come along soon to offer their opinion. ;-)
 

Most wikis don't have oversighters, and getting stewards to do it is really not
such a great idea - either we'd be swamped, or people would just continue to
use the God-awful hack (the latter being both more likely and worse). Even
for wikis with oversighters, I doubt we want to lay this on them - mostly due
to workload, but also because it's not what they were elected/appointed to do.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-06-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780





--- Comment #4 from ChrisiPK chris...@gmail.com  2009-06-03 23:31:52 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #3)
 (In reply to comment #1)
  Do we actually want to do this? The use case for removing individual old
  versions should be pretty rare, which is why we've got it in a tiny 
  subgroup.
  
 
 Yes. Wasn't that always the intention?
I also had the impression that enabling this for sysops was on the agenda all
along. There are many reasons to hide revisions from the greater public but
still leave them accessible for admins. Not all to-be-deleted content is
deleted for privacy reasons (which is mainly what oversight is for). Think
about copyright violations, for example. Those need to be removed but also need
to be accessible for restoration, should we receive OTRS permission.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18780


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--- Comment #1 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org  2009-05-14 23:40:50 UTC 
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Do we actually want to do this? The use case for removing individual old
versions should be pretty rare, which is why we've got it in a tiny subgroup.


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[Bug 18780] Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis for admins

2009-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from MZMcBride pub...@mzmcbride.com  2009-05-15 00:06:57 UTC 
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Well, this feature is intended to replace the God-awful delete the whole page
and restore certain revisions hack. Whether or not there are few enough
requests to keep this feature in the hands of only oversighters is unclear.
Surely someone will come along soon to offer their opinion. ;-)


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