[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #29 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2010-02-16 13:12:54 UTC --- BTW: i build a parserfunction that enables the user to choose which format he would like to use -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #30 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2010-02-16 13:13:40 UTC --- sry, wanted to append this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FormatNum -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #31 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2010-02-16 16:16:14 UTC --- Number formatting is a complex issue and PHP's number_format does only subset of it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #32 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2010-02-16 16:23:13 UTC --- sure, I'm not denying this. Just wanted to show one fast solution I mad. Maybe there are some people who are interested in it -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com 2009-06-23 03:32:10 CEST --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com 2009-06-23 03:37:54 CEST --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 07:15:21 CEST --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 12:02:40 CEST --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 12:08:34 CEST --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 12:22:32 CEST --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com 2009-06-23 03:32:10 CEST --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com 2009-06-23 03:37:54 CEST --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 07:15:21 CEST --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 12:02:40 CEST --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 12:08:34 CEST --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 12:22:32 CEST --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 10:22:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones.
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 10:22:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 10:22:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 10:22:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. It's not a template. It is a parser function for simple formatting of numbers
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 10:22:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||agarr...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly --- Comment #23 from STBR dark.j...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:02:40 UTC --- DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not solve the problem but even replace a valid alternative formatting (dot) with a completely wrong formatting (standard space). I consider this as a non desired behavior. As I already recommended in the marked as duplicate bug 19857, it may be a good idea to make the formatting rule configureable via an option in the config file or via mediawiki system message. --- Comment #24 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 10:08:34 UTC --- maybe it's widely used but it's not valid! --- Comment #25 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-23 10:22:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) DaSch, please realize your pushing of ISO or DIN norms has not been discussed widely and thus lacking of concensus. MediaWiki is not developed by concensus. Please also realize, that these norms are almost never applied in electronic media because it has a very simple reason: DIN recommends using a *small* space, not the usual standard space. But lots of programs have problems displaying the small space character defined in UTF8 correctly. Due to this, in the de-DE cultural settings the dot is used as delimiter for thousands. Even Microsoft uses the point as delimiter for German regional settings in their latest OS Windows Vista. So German Wikipedia advised to use the point as delimiter due to the technical difficulties. If Microsoft and CLDR use a dot, there is no reason for us to use something else. Germans have accepted it as status quo, like almost everybody else has done for -quotes instead of the typographically correct ones. By implementing this format setting, you would all in a sudden create a massive inconsistency between the formatting applied by this template and the formatting used in the more than 920,000 articles created so far. Evenmore, you would not
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||d...@gmx.de CC||br...@wikimedia.org Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID DaSch dasch...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:32:10 UTC --- *** Bug 19255 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** --- Comment #21 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2009-06-23 01:37:54 UTC --- Reverting r51209 in r52300. Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo. Reverted and resolving INVALID based on unclear request. --- Comment #22 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-23 05:15:21 UTC --- The rules for german formatting are clear, there are just an bunch of people that have problem with this in german wikipedia, but because of the fact that this is not only wikipedia software there should be a solution for this a problem with the solution made was that positiv and negativ numbers where not formatted equaly -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 visi-on visi...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added CC||visi...@gmx.net --- Comment #16 from visi-on visi...@gmx.net 2009-06-17 15:44:29 UTC --- (In reply to comment #15) *the minus sign U+2212 is thypographicaly correct but be shure you insert then om the reverse option R a normal -! *please insert instead of nbsp; → /spanspan style=margin-left:0.167em and append add the beginning of the number span and at the and /span this will improof screenreaders, make cp easier and will be more acceptable be users because the space is nearer. At last, if you give the span-tags css-classes (for example number and 'ngs'=number group seperator) everybody can change the appearance in his privat monobook.css file and no additionaly discussions are needed. *maybe national standards need an optional parameter for currencies -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #17 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-17 15:59:00 UTC --- (In reply to comment #16) *please insert instead of nbsp; → /spanspan ... No, that would restrict it to html or wikitext contexts only and would break where the result is escaped or display in non-html context. *maybe national standards need an optional parameter for currencies MediaWiki doesn't do currency formatting. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #18 from visi-on visi...@gmx.net 2009-06-17 16:05:41 UTC --- (In reply to comment #17) (In reply to comment #16) *maybe national standards need an optional parameter for currencies MediaWiki doesn't do currency formatting. the point is that there are diffrent number formats for currencies i didn't asked for currency formatting -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #14 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-16 06:29:16 UTC --- The bugs was discussed and anounced and there was no objection -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
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--- Comment #15 from debja...@gmail.com 2009-06-16 20:20:51 UTC ---
To sum up, there are following errors that should be fixed:
* {{formatnum:1234}} → 1234 instead of 1nbsp;234 (international and ISO 31-0
compatible notation! Furthermore this is a must for tables, where 4-digit and
4+-digit numbers are listed below. However the error does not occur with
negative numbers and numbers with a decimal separator.)
* {{formatnum:-1234}} → -1nbsp;234 instead of −1nbsp;234 (minus sing!
U+2212)
* {{formatnum:1234.56789}} → 1nbsp;234,56789 instead of
1nbsp;234,567nbsp;89 (also negative numbers should get a thousands separator,
see ISO 31-0)
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[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #12 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-16 05:31:53 UTC --- did you read it? or anybody else the money to pay for it? maybe you could send me a copy -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
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--- Comment #13 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2009-06-16
05:43:06 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #11)
Please withdraw this from dewiki ASAP
and there is nothing that even resembles a consensus.
We know it is affected, but MediaWiki isn't developed by consensus and this
isn't just some configuration option that can be turned on or off. If dewiki
still wants something different from what we will eventually settle on, it is
an another bug.
(In reply to comment #7)
it would be cool if it didn't break existing formatnum:|R usages like
{{formatnum:1.234,56|R}}, which should give 1234.56.
That might be possible, but in any case I do recommend against using formatnum
anywhere else than in interface messages.
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--- Comment #7 from entli...@gmx-topmail.de 2009-06-06 16:01:22 UTC ---
I'm asking you not to put this live for now.
1. DIN 1333 says a space should be used as thousands separator - that's true,
but it is not widely followed in practice. In practice, the traditional dot is
still in use, except for Switzerland and Liechtenstein, where the dot is never
used and an apostrophe may be used instead.
2. Grouping numbers should start at 5 digits - DIN 1333 doesn't say that.
What DIN 1333 really says is that a thousands separator may be used, but
doesn't have to be. It doesn't say when it should be used. The idea of handling
four-digit numbers specially is just a private mannerism of some Wikipedians.
Maybe it can be found in old-fashioned typography textbooks, maybe even in some
modern ones, but not it any standard. It is inappropriate for tables and at
least questionable for the body of the text. Some typographers indeed propose
to not group 4-digit numbers *unless* they are compared to a 5-ore-more-digits
number within the same sentence or paragraph. formatnum can't know the context.
3. There is at least one more standard touching the problem that has been
ignored so far: DIN 5008.
Also note the discrepancy between
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schreibweise_von_Zahlen and
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Schreibweise_von_Zahlen. There is no
consensus to change anything at all yet. Should you decide to change it anyway,
it would be cool if it didn't break existing formatnum:|R usages like
{{formatnum:1.234,56|R}}, which should give 1234.56.
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--- Comment #9 from entli...@gmx-topmail.de 2009-06-06 22:51:34 UTC ---
DaSch, I'm not asking for this to be reverted in general, I'm asking for it not
to be put live on Wikimedia sites, mainly Wikipedia.
Regarding we have to use something that is written down: Yes, that's a valid
point, but then let's please restrict ourselves to what is actually written
down in the standards. None of the standards mentioned recommends omitting the
thousands separator for 4-digit numbers. That idea is taken from different
typographic literature (what you call widely followed practice). Typographic
literature is more than DIN and ISO, and as you're searching for references to
the 4-digit special handling thingy, you will find references to the dot thingy
(and other thingies, such as the apostrophe in Switzerland and Liechtenstein)
as well.
The primary reason I'm objecting is, it's unthinkable that it will be accepted.
Wikipedia (at least the German-speaking community) simply doesn't work that
way. All that putting this change live will achieve is users asking Who
decided that? and boosting the popularity of circumvention templates like
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:FormatZahl. If you really like to find out
by experiment what the community thinks about this most people use it wrong
attitude, propose it at
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia or maybe revive
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Typographie_(Zwischenräume).
That's a poll (still in preparation) about whitespaces in general, it's
supposed to cover number formatting as well.
Btw. as a (weak) supporter of the dot - space switch, I really wonder about
three things:
(1) How will you explain our typographers that the usual non-breaking space is
used? They will tell you that a narrower space must be used.
(2) How will you explain that {{formatnum:1234}} gives 1234, but
{{formatnum:1234.5}} gives 1nbsp;234,5? That's the behaviour I found while
testing on the Ukranian Wikipedia. Is that a bug or a feature? Nobody can know
because nobody discussed it.
(3) How will you explain that in table-row templates like
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Verkehrsflughäfen_in_Deutschland (last
coloumn), 4-digit numbers don't get a thousands separator, but 5-digits numbers
do?
This needs to be discussed in advance, on a Wikipedia page where enough people
see it for the result to be representative.
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[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #10 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-06-06 23:16:33 UTC --- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Schreibweise_von_Zahlen#Tausendertrennzeichen -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Siebrand siebr...@wikipedia.be changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED --- Comment #6 from Siebrand siebr...@wikipedia.be 2009-05-30 21:01:07 UTC --- Fixed in r51209. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #2 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-05-28 07:26:29 UTC --- Maybe the formating for other languages should be checked also. ISO 31-0 tells that a point or colon should never be used for grouping numbers. Another point is that grouping numbers should start at numbers with more then 5. So in german there should be 3456 an not how it is now 3.456 and 23 567 an not 23.567 how it is now. I think this should be checked in all languages, don't know how it looks like others. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Siebrand siebr...@wikipedia.be changed: What|Removed |Added CC||siebr...@wikipedia.be --- Comment #4 from Siebrand siebr...@wikipedia.be 2009-05-28 22:09:23 UTC --- This matches function commafy($_) in LanguageUk.php exactly: Ukrainian numeric format is 12 345,67 but 1234,56. So we have the solution. Now we need the proper source. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #5 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-05-28 22:25:40 UTC --- It's all in DIN 1333 http://www.natg.din.de/cmd?level=tpl-art-detailansichtcommitteeid=54739103artid=1819868bcrumblevel=3languageid=de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||raimond.spekk...@gmail.com Severity|enhancement |trivial Component|Templates |Internationalization Version|1.15-svn|unspecified -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 18957] formatnum works wrong in german
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 --- Comment #1 from DaSch dasch...@gmx.net 2009-05-27 16:12:07 UTC --- to read about in english http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator even when it's no precise there -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
