[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2010-07-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812

ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #32 from ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de 2010-07-09 15:45:46 UTC ---
fixed in r69212 
(see http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikisource-l/2010-July/000784.html )

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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812





--- Comment #30 from joergens.mi joergens@googlemail.com  2009-11-20 
12:18:16 UTC ---
I agree with Vandenberg's proposal. His point that there is no need for an
alternative Access Control System is very important. We schould have one and
exactly one user access control system. 

Therefore from my point of view. 
- There should be the possibility for IP's to contribute as before. 
- At least Admins should have the right to set the proofread level according to
the needs, for converting older already proofreaded projects to the proofread
extension. No curious / buggy workarounds by bots.
- Only one User access-system. Exactly speaking the access control system which
is implemented in the mediawikisw  (userCan)

@Snottygobble, we don't have to fix aproblem we have. We want the unheralded
change of the last update deactivated or changed to a community selectable
access system. 

What I find funny, the we, who were the cutting edge in proofreading - as
ThomasV statet - in Wikisource should be the bad guys which don't understand
what happens (Is there a possibility that we have more experience, because we
doing this job longer than most of the other projects?). The allegation that we
are complaining because the other are luckily stepping up to us is ridiculous.
The french and english wikisource have overhauled us a long time ago in some
numbers. Nobody of us is complaining about that. Far from it, we are happy that
all wikisources are coming up to a high level of quality. 

greetings


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812





--- Comment #31 from Snottygobble snottygob...@gmail.com  2009-11-20 14:01:25 
UTC ---
We want the unheralded change of the last update deactivated. You've been
told, repeatedly, that you don't need a patch applied in order to achieve this.
Simply revert your javascript back to a version that uses your old page quality
template, instead of the pagequality tag. This will give you precisely what
you want. It will also effect the removal of de.wikisource from the global
statistics pages; but this is not unreasonable, given you will have rendered
your statistics incommensurable by opting for a different approach to
validation.

Please bear in mind that this is a bug tracking system, and what is considered
fair comment here is very different to what might be acceptable on Wikimedia
discussion pages or the mailing lists. Comments here should be directed towards
explaining or resolving the bug.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812


John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #28 from John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com  2009-11-19 
15:31:21 UTC ---
Please provide unified diffs using diff -ur old/ new/

More fundamentally, I think it is necessary for the Proofread Page extension to
not include access control.  It should probably use the userCan hook, and let
another extension implement access control.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/userCan

I would prefer to see a matrix that defines what user groups are able to
perform tasks at various stages.

The following would prevent IPs from proofreading pages.

  $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['proofread'] = true;
  $wgProofreadPageStageProtection['*'] = array( 'proofread' );

The following would prevent IPs from validating pages.

  $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['validate'] = true;
  $wgProofreadPageStageProtection[3] = array( 'validate' );

It should be possible to add a sysop-only fourth stage with:

  $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['finalise'] = true;
  $wgProofreadPageStageProtection[4] = array( 'finalise' );

Another approach would be:

  $wgProofreadPageMaxStage['anon'] = 1;
  $wgProofreadPageMaxStage['autoconfirmed'] = 3;
  $wgProofreadPageMaxStage['sysop'] = 4;


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812


Snottygobble snottygob...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #29 from Snottygobble snottygob...@gmail.com  2009-11-19 23:53:40 
UTC ---
As I understand it, Thomas objects to this proposal and patch because the new
pagequality tag integrates the various language domain implementations,
allowing the automatic maintenance of pages like
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:ProofreadPage_Statistics. This page
compares the progress of different domains, and therefore must use the same
metric for each domain. Otherwise it is useless. The proposed patch changes how
progress is measured for a single domain, and thus would invalidate the entire
integration. This is why Thomas opposes it.

The choices, then, are:
1. Thomas could patch all of the domains... but this would require consensus
across all of them, not just de.wikisource;
2. de.wikisource can withdraw from the integrated page quality system and fix
their problem. No patch is needed for this; they need only revert their local
Javascript to a version that does not use the pagequality tag.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #27 from joergens.mi joergens@googlemail.com  2009-11-17 
15:01:32 UTC ---
I find it very interesting how ThomasV is arguing about 9 lines of code, which
would improve the extension. And his arguments, that if someone else would do
it will be ok - we have misunderstood him we are only allowed by him to do it
the second best way.

He is arguing that a user Xarax can do this for us whith a lot more of java
script code. I'm sorry Xarax isn't active as an user anymore (we are quite
unhappy about that, only Bot-activities can be seen within in the last 6
month). A experienced programmer - a person who we are laking at the moment -
should write a lot of code to circumvent the obstacles, it must be tested in
the real environment including removing the bugs, we haf bad experiences about
that. 

And his argument other subdomains don't want it (which one? french community
should be clear - or?). If you look at the communications,in total more people
are arguing for enhancing the extension then against. 

Here you have a list of the communities working with proofread
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:ProofreadPage_Statistics

The biggest curiousity is ThomasV introduced a big change in the extension
without talking to a lot of communities. We must learn it the hard way, by
notifying that things which had run good for quite a long time, won't run
anymore suddenly. I think most of the communites didn't know up to now, what
had happened and therefore don't take part in the communication. (I don't think
that a lot of communites are converting multithousand page projects to
Proofread 2). 


I think you should also read this comment here 
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikisource-l/2009-November/000636.html


Greetings

p.s. we want to use the the page quality system but without beeing overruled.
We believe in the wiki system and assume good faith (AGF) by the people which
are contributing.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812





--- Comment #13 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 08:37:26 UTC ---
Created an attachment (id=6788)
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Allows IPs in Proofread.php


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 08:37:57 UTC ---
Created an attachment (id=6789)
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Allow IPs in prrofread.js


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 08:41:52 UTC ---
After testing my older patches on a ProofreadPage-Mediawiki Installation I must
admit, that this first patches don't work. Now I uploaded two new patches for
Proofread.php and proofread.js and in my installtion they work.

There must still be set $wgProofreadPageAllowIPs=true in Localsettings.php to
use these patches.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 10:08:55 UTC ---
Created an attachment (id=6790)
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Allow Q4 and IPs in proofread.js


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 10:09:19 UTC ---
Created an attachment (id=6791)
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Allow Q4 and IPs in ProofreadPage.php


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 10:12:12 UTC ---
The Patches 6790 and 6791 allow in addition to 6788 and 6789 the setting to
quality level 4 to sysops, so that moving from older projects to PR2 is
possible.

There must be set $wgProofreadPageAllowQ4=true in LocalSettings.php additional
to $wgProofreadPageAllowIPs=true

I tested this patches in my local installation and there it work.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812


ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||WONTFIX




--- Comment #19 from ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de  2009-11-16 10:26:10 UTC ---
Sorry but I will not add those patches. 
Please check the discussions from last month in the mailing list about that
decision.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812


joergens.mi joergens@googlemail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |




--- Comment #20 from joergens.mi joergens@googlemail.com  2009-11-16 
17:44:36 UTC ---
Can anyone verify that the solutions of Buxul T. will work and find an
developer to add this to the code.

As ThomasV clearly states here, he isn't willing -  in my opinion for very
personal reasons -  to add these more than usefull extension to this script.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-16 18:41:46 UTC ---
and there ThomasV said:

Even if I am not willing to program an extra solution for de.ws,
I know that some de.ws admins are perfectly able to program the
solution they want. They do not need me for that. They know it.

And now I have wrote the patch and he is not willing to implement it. Very bad
behaviour.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #26 from ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de  2009-11-17 06:22:58 UTC ---
Buxul : you misunderstood what I said. When I wrote in the 
ML that de.ws admins can program the solution they need, I 
was referring to local javascript, and to the solution 
implemented by user xarax 2 years ago.

If something can be achieved through local configuration, 
I do not see why I should add it to the core of the 
extension, especially when other subdomains do not want it.
Also, it will be much easier for you to develop and maintain 
code locally.

Just check how the quality buttons worked at de.ws 
before I introduced the pagequality system: categories 
were added to the pages by local javascript. This should 
still work. Using local javascript, you can add the 
categories you want to the pages you want. 

Please note that this solution does not require a robot;
My suggestion to use a robot was intended to facilitate 
migration of already proofed texts, and is interesting 
only if de.ws wants to stay in the common pagequality 
system. However, if de.ws wants IPs to be able to mark 
pages as proofread, then they do not want to use the 
common pagequality system. 


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from joergens.mi joergens@googlemail.com  2009-11-14 
23:36:00 UTC ---
This seems to be the solution, we have been begging for in the german
wikisource.

Could anyone be so polite to help Buxul T. to test it and if it's ok activate
in wikisource.

I think it would be usefull to set the default for $wgProofreadPageAllowIPs to
false.

This wouldn't change anything for the existing projects. And the projects,
which wants to deviate
can set this to true. 


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Buxul T. bu...@web.de changed:

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 CC||bu...@web.de




--- Comment #10 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-13 10:17:23 UTC ---
This patch for ProofreadPage.php Revision 58865 should solve the problem:

954,959c954,957
   if (!$wgProofreadPageAllowIPs) {
 if( ($old_q != $q)  $wgUser-isAnon() ) {
 $wgOut-showErrorPage( 'proofreadpage_nologin',
'proofreadpage_nologintext' );
 return false;
 }
   }
---
 if( ($old_q != $q)  $wgUser-isAnon() ) {
 $wgOut-showErrorPage( 'proofreadpage_nologin', 
 'proofreadpage_nologintext' );
 return false;
 }

and then you must set $wgProofreadPageAllowIPs=true in LocalSettings.php

I can't test it, because I don't have an running installation of ProofreadPage.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-11-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Buxul T. bu...@web.de  2009-11-13 10:23:15 UTC ---
correction:

909c909
 global $wgOut, $wgUser, $wgProofreadPageAllowIPs;
---
 global $wgOut, $wgUser;
954,959c954,957
   if (!$wgProofreadPageAllowIPs) {
 if( ($old_q != $q)  $wgUser-isAnon() ) {
 $wgOut-showErrorPage( 'proofreadpage_nologin',
'proofreadpage_nologintext' );
 return false;
 }
   }
---
 if( ($old_q != $q)  $wgUser-isAnon() ) {
 $wgOut-showErrorPage( 'proofreadpage_nologin', 
 'proofreadpage_nologintext' );
 return false;
 }


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Thomas Bleher thomasble...@gmx.de changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Thomas Bleher thomasble...@gmx.de  2009-10-22 06:18:12 
UTC ---
For anyone looking into this, the code in question was added in r52508.
It should be very easy to make this configurable, assuming of course that
different communities want to handle this differently.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-09-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de  2009-09-27 07:20:32 UTC ---
I understand your point: you want IPs to be able to indicate that they 
proofread the text. 

I will not implement the solution you propose, because it implies to remove 
the double proofreading system, and because this would affect all other 
wikisources; such a radical change should at least be discussed with 
them beforehand.

The double proofreading system of the extension is not meant to be secure 
or sockpuppet-proof. It is just meant to be unambiguous. If we remove the 
current restriction on double proofreading, then users could make their 
own interpretation of the meaning of the buttons, and this would break 
the system.

If there is local consensus at de.ws, I suggest you configure your wiki 
so that IPs can indicate they proofread a page. The germans used to do 
this with a template before I introduced this buttons system. This should 
still work. Using local javascript, you guys can even create buttons linked 
to this template, so that IPs will not notice any difference.


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-09-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Cecil cecila...@gmail.com  2009-09-27 18:01:44 UTC ---
What do you mean with radical change? This existes until a few days ago when
you just implemented something else without a consensus. You don't need to
implement the solution. It already exists since several years and you changed
it without any consensus.

Can you show us one case of miss-use on German Wikisource? Just one to show us
that your dictatorship has at least a root? There never was any problem with
IPs when it came to proofreading. They are a part of our community while you
treat them like dirt, like cheaters, like people who are not to be trusted at
all. That is disgusting. It is called discrimination what you are doing. 


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-09-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Wikisource: IPs unable to   |Wikisource: IPs unable to
   |proofread   |flag articles as proofread




--- Comment #4 from ThomasV thoma...@gmx.de  2009-09-26 10:00:38 UTC ---
IPs are allowed to participate : they can proofread and correct articles. 
What you request is to let them flag an article as proofread.

This would dramatically change the current 'double proofreading' system, 
because it relies on proofreading by two different users (unless the IP 
is using a fixed adress, and is whiteisted somewhere).

I would like to see a community consensus on this, outside of de.ws.
A similar proposal was made 3 months ago at ws.org and received no support
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource_talk:ProofreadPage#IP_not_allowed_to_proofread


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[Bug 20812] Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as proofread

2009-09-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812





--- Comment #5 from joergens.mi joergens@googlemail.com  2009-09-26 
13:02:58 UTC ---
To give a direct replay to this comment of ThomasV, the only person I know
which wants to exclude IP'S from the proofreading process ist the developer of
this extension ThomasV. He didn't get any positive feedback for his position in
the article mentioned by him. 

You schould also see the discussions in the german wikisource. I'm sorry, but
these comments are in german.
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Skriptorium#Code_Update for the last
update, when there is interesst in the older problems we had, I can serch for
the discussions in the german language ws scriptorim.

The same type of discussion we hav every time when there is an code change by
ThomasV in his extension Proofread.  Everytime the only way we get information
about code changes is when feateures dosn't work any longer, because of buggy,
mostly untestet code  or by ThomasV intention. That is the reason I can't call
his code changes updates.  


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