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--- Comment #55 from Nemo_bis  2012-04-27 19:52:11 UTC 
---
(In reply to comment #54)
> (In reply to comment #53)
> > This is not fixed yet, we're still waiting for the last two steps:
> > * wgShowUpdatedMarker on all wikis,
> 
> ok, wasn't fully clear. Anyway, a big step!
> 
> I am still very interested in **live statistics** of how many mails are
> generated and sent per time interval and per own userpage- respectively per
> watchlist notifs, perhaps someone can code such a thing ?

For now

and divide network by 3 KB? :) That would make about 10 emails per second.

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--- Comment #54 from T. Gries  2012-04-27 19:41:20 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #53)
> This is not fixed yet, we're still waiting for the last two steps:
> * wgShowUpdatedMarker on all wikis,

ok, wasn't fully clear. Anyway, a big step!

I am still very interested in **live statistics** of how many mails are
generated and sent per time interval and per own userpage- respectively per
watchlist notifs, perhaps someone can code such a thing ?

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--- Comment #53 from Nemo_bis  2012-04-27 19:38:02 UTC 
---
This is not fixed yet, we're still waiting for the last two steps:
* wgShowUpdatedMarker on all wikis,
* changing default (or not) for new/old/subset of old users,
both after a while to measure performance impact of each change.

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--- Comment #52 from T. Gries  2012-04-27 19:32:28 UTC ---
I AM VERY ***HAPPY***

It works for me, I tested the en:Sandbox with an anonymous edit. There was no
significant mail delay between the change and the arrival of the enotif. 

MANY THANKS to all the people who helped to achieve this goal, started in 2004.
See you @Hackathon in Berlin ?

Let me quickly close that super "bug".

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--- Comment #51 from Nemo_bis  2012-04-27 17:24:44 UTC 
---
For the record.
# This means that on those wikis: users can now set the preference to receive
notifications on watchlist changes, which is disabled by default both for new
and old users; history markers are enabled for everyone.
# There's been no noticeable load or network increase on mchenry (mail relay)
nor DB servers in the last 30 min.
Therefore I suppose we can now safely enable EnotifWatchlist on all wikis, as
suggested by Tim (comment 20: markers have an immediate performance impact,
enotif have an impact only with time or if defaults are changed), and then
think of changing the defaults for preferences (see comment 19, bug 5220
comment 38).

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--- Comment #50 from Sam Reed (reedy)  2012-04-27 17:03:54 
UTC ---
wgEnotifWatchlist is now set to true for all non big wikis

wgEnotifUserTalk is still true everywhere. wgShowUpdatedMarker is still false
for the big wikis

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--- Comment #49 from T. Gries  2012-02-11 00:51:28 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #48)
> So, what exactly needs changing configuration wise?
> 
> Changing $wgEnotifWatchlist to true, and leaving $wgShowUpdatedMarker as false
> for the moment. And then looking to set $wgShowUpdatedMarker to true at
> somepoint in the near future?

I think you can set both to true.

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--- Comment #48 from Sam Reed (reedy)  2012-02-11 00:07:55 
UTC ---
So, what exactly needs changing configuration wise?

Changing $wgEnotifWatchlist to true, and leaving $wgShowUpdatedMarker as false
for the moment. And then looking to set $wgShowUpdatedMarker to true at
somepoint in the near future?

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--- Comment #47 from Mark A. Hershberger  2012-02-06 
06:27:28 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #46)
> The migration is over since a while, any update?

I talked to CT Woo about this and he is on it.

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--- Comment #46 from Nemo_bis  2012-02-04 11:38:38 UTC 
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> The mail servers are currently being migrated/re-installed, so still in
> progress

The migration is over since a while, any update?

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--- Comment #45 from Reedy  2012-01-13 00:50:45 UTC ---
The mail servers are currently being migrated/re-installed, so still in
progress

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--- Comment #44 from T. Gries  2012-01-13 00:49:31 UTC ---
ping RT#1927

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--- Comment #43 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-12-13 
15:13:33 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #42)
> (In reply to comment #40)
> > Mark just remembered that the Peter is puppet-izing the mail servers and 
> > would
> > like to wait until he has finished that to act on this ticket.
> 
> What's the ETA on this?

Mark said "i'm working on it as we speak" just now.

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--- Comment #42 from MZMcBride  2011-12-03 14:40:44 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #40)
> Mark just remembered that the Peter is puppet-izing the mail servers and would
> like to wait until he has finished that to act on this ticket.

What's the ETA on this?

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--- Comment #41 from T. Gries  2011-11-21 23:25:34 UTC ---
again: I suggest you run it - but with a "null-mailer" (not sending mails to
watching users but simply to see impact on servers, and to get some
statistics).

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--- Comment #40 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-11-21 
14:08:03 UTC ---
Mark just remembered that the Peter is puppet-izing the mail servers and would
like to wait until he has finished that to act on this ticket.

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--- Comment #39 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-11-21 
14:00:19 UTC ---
After talking to Mark, what I'll do is talk to Sam to get a test slot to get
this deployed for an hour or so.  That way we can have Ops monitoring it and
have a chance to turn it off if something "bad" happens.

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--- Comment #38 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-11-21 
00:01:58 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #37)
> What's the status of this bug?

No action on the RT ticket.  I'll talk to Mark tomorrow about RT#1927.

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--- Comment #37 from MZMcBride  2011-11-17 13:43:39 UTC ---
What's the status of this bug?

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--- Comment #36 from Roan Kattouw  2011-11-11 12:35:57 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #35)
> (In reply to comment #34)
> > Please carefully read what I did in CommonSettings.php line 1516 (search for
> > "Trial by Roan, Mark B and Mark H") to understand what the config actually 
> > is.
> > The values from InitialiseSettings are overridden there.
> 
> Essentially, this only changes $wgShowUpdatedMarker to false if
> $wgEnotifWatchlist is false and sets wgEnotifUserTalk true, regardless.
> 
> Except for the value of $wgShowUpdatedMarker, I'm not sure what is different
> from the statements you quoted.
The value of $wgShowUpdatedMarker was exactly what I meant. I'm sorry for not
making that clearer.

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--- Comment #35 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-11-10 
20:20:51 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #34)
> Please carefully read what I did in CommonSettings.php line 1516 (search for
> "Trial by Roan, Mark B and Mark H") to understand what the config actually is.
> The values from InitialiseSettings are overridden there.

Essentially, this only changes $wgShowUpdatedMarker to false if
$wgEnotifWatchlist is false and sets wgEnotifUserTalk true, regardless.

Except for the value of $wgShowUpdatedMarker, I'm not sure what is different
from the statements you quoted.

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--- Comment #34 from Roan Kattouw  2011-11-09 16:05:22 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #30)
> (In reply to comment #28)
> > So the plan is to disable $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and enable
> > $wgEnotifUserTalk on all wikis. This allows better single-variable testing 
> > if a
> > problem emerges. Now all that's needed is an okay from ops and a deployment
> > window.
> 
> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
> now shows:
> 
>  'wgEnotifUserTalk' => array(
> 'default' => true,
>  ),
> 
> $wgShowUpdatedMarker has not been changed and defaults to true.
> 
> Mark said he was willing to test wgEnotifUserTalk for an hour, but the impact
> was pretty minimal, so he left it on.
> 
> Now, do we still want EnotifWatchlist as this bug originally requested?  If 
> so,
> I'll create another RT ticket.
Please carefully read what I did in CommonSettings.php line 1516 (search for
"Trial by Roan, Mark B and Mark H") to understand what the config actually is.
The values from InitialiseSettings are overridden there.

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--- Comment #33 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-11-09 
04:32:23 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #32)
> Okay, that one was my bad. I should have said "the plan is to disable
> $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and enable $wgEnotifWatchlist on all wikis"
> (not $wgEnotifUserTalk). My apologies.

Nevertheless, it was probably a good first step.  It increased email
incrementally instead of exponentially.  Filed
:

"Since #1784 went off without a hitch, we'd like to enable $wgEnotifWatchlist
on all wikis. This ticket is to track discussion of any that relate to enabling
a lot of emails."

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--- Comment #32 from MZMcBride  2011-11-09 00:12:04 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #30)
> (In reply to comment #28)
>> So the plan is to disable $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and enable
>> $wgEnotifUserTalk on all wikis. This allows better single-variable testing 
>> if a
>> problem emerges. Now all that's needed is an okay from ops and a deployment
>> window.
> 
> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
> now shows:
> 
>  'wgEnotifUserTalk' => array(
> 'default' => true,
>  ),
> 
> $wgShowUpdatedMarker has not been changed and defaults to true.
> 
> Mark said he was willing to test wgEnotifUserTalk for an hour, but the impact
> was pretty minimal, so he left it on.
> 
> Now, do we still want EnotifWatchlist as this bug originally requested?  If 
> so,
> I'll create another RT ticket.

Okay, that one was my bad. I should have said "the plan is to disable
$wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and enable $wgEnotifWatchlist on all wikis"
(not $wgEnotifUserTalk). My apologies.

Can you file or un-file or re-file an RT ticket about EnotifWatchlist, please?
Sorry for the confusion. :-(

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--- Comment #31 from T. Gries  2011-11-08 21:06:49 UTC ---
'wgEnotifUserTalk' is something different.

The bug's subject is for having
$wgEnotifWatchlist  = true;

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--- Comment #30 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-11-08 
21:00:07 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #28)
> So the plan is to disable $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and enable
> $wgEnotifUserTalk on all wikis. This allows better single-variable testing if 
> a
> problem emerges. Now all that's needed is an okay from ops and a deployment
> window.

http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
now shows:

 'wgEnotifUserTalk' => array(
'default' => true,
 ),

$wgShowUpdatedMarker has not been changed and defaults to true.

Mark said he was willing to test wgEnotifUserTalk for an hour, but the impact
was pretty minimal, so he left it on.

Now, do we still want EnotifWatchlist as this bug originally requested?  If so,
I'll create another RT ticket.

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--- Comment #29 from Reedy  2011-11-08 18:55:28 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #27)
> (In reply to comment #26)
> > Cool, thanks for that.
> > 
> > Is there a way to get this in a queue to be deployed? Is there such a 
> > queue? If
> > not, what are next steps here?
> It's already on platform eng's radar, and they're the guys that typically
> deploy stuff. We just need to get ops to respond to the RT ticket now.

(In reply to comment #28)
> (In reply to comment #27)
> > (In reply to comment #26)
> >> Cool, thanks for that.
> >> 
> >> Is there a way to get this in a queue to be deployed? Is there such a 
> >> queue? If
> >> not, what are next steps here?
> > It's already on platform eng's radar, and they're the guys that typically
> > deploy stuff. We just need to get ops to respond to the RT ticket now.
> 
> Is there a good way to do that?

Well, we don't really need Ops to do anything. It's a case of it just needs to
be done when ops members are around incase it causes problems due to the
increased volume of emails

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--- Comment #28 from MZMcBride  2011-11-08 03:23:29 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #27)
> (In reply to comment #26)
>> Cool, thanks for that.
>> 
>> Is there a way to get this in a queue to be deployed? Is there such a queue? 
>> If
>> not, what are next steps here?
> It's already on platform eng's radar, and they're the guys that typically
> deploy stuff. We just need to get ops to respond to the RT ticket now.

Is there a good way to do that?

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--- Comment #27 from Roan Kattouw  2011-11-02 09:25:32 
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> Cool, thanks for that.
> 
> Is there a way to get this in a queue to be deployed? Is there such a queue? 
> If
> not, what are next steps here?
It's already on platform eng's radar, and they're the guys that typically
deploy stuff. We just need to get ops to respond to the RT ticket now.

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--- Comment #26 from MZMcBride  2011-11-01 23:10:25 UTC ---
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> (In reply to comment #24)
>> (In reply to comment #23)
>> > RT: http://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=1784
>> 
>> What's the status of that RT ticket?
> Created on Oct 22, dormant since.
> 
> (begin RT report)
> As MZ summarizes: "the plan is to disable $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and
> enable $wgEnotifUserTalk on all wikis."
> 
> This ticket is to provide a heads-up to Ops so that you guys can work with Sam
> to set up a deployment window or
> discuss other issues that relate to enabling a lot of emails.
> (end RT report)

Cool, thanks for that.

Is there a way to get this in a queue to be deployed? Is there such a queue? If
not, what are next steps here?

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--- Comment #25 from Roan Kattouw  2011-11-01 08:37:03 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> (In reply to comment #23)
> > RT: http://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=1784
> 
> What's the status of that RT ticket?
Created on Oct 22, dormant since.

(begin RT report)
As MZ summarizes: "the plan is to disable $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and
enable $wgEnotifUserTalk on all wikis."

This ticket is to provide a heads-up to Ops so that you guys can work with Sam
to set up a deployment window or
discuss other issues that relate to enabling a lot of emails.
(end RT report)

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--- Comment #24 from MZMcBride  2011-11-01 04:54:40 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #23)
> RT: http://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=1784

What's the status of that RT ticket?

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--- Comment #23 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-10-22 
01:17:05 UTC ---
RT: http://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=1784

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--- Comment #22 from T. Gries  2011-10-21 15:53:11 UTC ---
When it is enabled, I would be interested in statistics 
- how many enotif mails are sent and 
- to how many distinct users 
per time period i.e. per hour, or per day.

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--- Comment #21 from MZMcBride  2011-10-21 13:10:19 UTC ---
So the plan is to disable $wgShowUpdatedMarker by default and enable
$wgEnotifUserTalk on all wikis. This allows better single-variable testing if a
problem emerges. Now all that's needed is an okay from ops and a deployment
window.

Mark H.: Can you find someone from ops to work with Reedy on scheduling a
deployment time? I think a page on wikitech might be the place where this is
coordinated currently.

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--- Comment #20 from Tim Starling  2011-10-21 01:31:59 
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I think we can deploy it to all wikis, not just small wikis. But
$wgShowUpdatedMarker should be false by default to start with, so that we can
separate the performance impact of enotif from the performance impact of update
markers.

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--- Comment #19 from Nemo_bis  2011-08-19 08:08:13 UTC 
---
(In reply to comment #14)
> Stack Overflow
> recently emailed users with dormant accounts and the results weren't pretty.

I don't think that sending newsletters and invites to get active again is the
same thing as sending notifications for changes that the user has decided to
follow. The previous experience with notifications for user talk message shows
that this annoyed mainly users of the English Wikipedia who don't edit other
wikis and hence didn't know that email notifications existed in MediaWiki and
thought it was something suspect or some big change.
That said, I agree that the most sensible thing to start with is to enable the
feature with the option disabled by the default for old users, but if possible
enabled by default for new users (who won't experience problems).

(In reply to comment #18)
> In the enotif_body, we could probably add a further direkt link as a
> single-click solution:
> 
> - To disable your email notifications, visit ...

I agree, but this is unrelated and applies to all email notifications, please
file another bug for it.

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--- Comment #18 from T. Gries  2011-08-19 06:35:44 UTC ---
Thanks. Another perspective: each enotif currently comes already with three
single-click solutions for unwatching the notified page. These are defined in
languages/MessageEn.php'enotif_body' = [[MediaWiki:enotif_body]] )

- To change your email notification settings, visit ...
- To change your watchlist settings, visit ...
- To delete the page from your watchlist, visit ...

Proposal based on Mark's links re. email annoyances:


In the enotif_body, we could probably add a further direkt link as a
single-click solution:

- To disable your email notifications, visit ...

This will then be a single click solution, too, to fully reset enotif for the
notified user, so that they can opt-out after having received their first
single e-notif after this is enabled on that wiki.

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--- Comment #17 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-08-19 
01:42:26 UTC ---
http://www.georgesaines.com/?p=484 for yet another perspective.

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--- Comment #16 from T. Gries  2011-08-18 19:22:41 UTC ---
> allow only those persons to opt-in, who have _edited_ (not an minor edit) an
> article which they are watching (and want to have e-notified now). 

I hereby withdraw my idea as in
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28026#c15 .

Why ?

"opt-in" is globally - for the user - for all watched pages, a distinction
between 

- "enotif opt-in for pages I edited and I am watching" and 
- "enotif opt-in for pages I did not edit but which I am watching"

would be necessary - which is too complicated.

A further code change may be required which nulls - or sets - also the
enotif-timestamps for the notifications (not removing the page from wl) in the
watching user's watchlist, when this feature is globally enabled - too much
work, I guess.

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--- Comment #15 from T. Gries  2011-08-18 18:28:04 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #14)
> After the dry run, we should only do this for editors who positively opt-in,
> and probably only those who positively opt-in after we make these enotifs 
> live.
+1

> In other words start with all editor's enotifs disabled. 
+1

Mark, very good points. 

After having read your comment, I got the following idea for an ever softer
start:

This is an idea, which is not implemented in the code, and therefore not
possible with current enotif options:

Idea


allow only those persons to opt-in, who have _edited_ (not an minor edit) an
article which they are watching (and want to have e-notified now). 

If someone likes that, a new bugzilla should be opened.

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--- Comment #14 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-08-18 
17:39:53 UTC ---
After the dry run, we should only do this for editors who positively opt-in,
and probably only those who positively opt-in after we make these enotifs live.
In other words start with all editor's enotifs disabled. Stack Overflow
recently emailed users with dormant accounts and the results weren't pretty.

http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/102979/spam-from-super-user
(see also the discussion here:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/102797/please-dont-send-me-email-that-i-didnt-ask-for)

I expect that our editors would react similarly if we were to start emailing
them out of the blue.

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--- Comment #13 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-07-28 
19:23:52 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #12)
> Bugmaster Mark has coined this recently "null-mailer", a term I like. If
> someone supports the idea of a null-mailer, a separate bug with this as 
> subject
> should be filed for the implementation.

r93415 is my attempt to make the null mailer possible.  I didn't coin the term,
though: http://google.com/search?q=nullmailer

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--- Comment #12 from T. Gries  2011-07-18 05:18:46 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #9)
> Before switching on, it would be nice to have the hourly or daily number of
> enotifs (for the mentioned case) which _would_ be sent out.
> This could be done through a modification of UserMailer in that way, that
> "enotifs for watched pages which are not user- or user_talk-pages" are _not_
> sent, but only counted (you can call it "dry run", or "simulation" mode)

Bugmaster Mark has coined this recently "null-mailer", a term I like. If
someone supports the idea of a null-mailer, a separate bug with this as subject
should be filed for the implementation.

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--- Comment #11 from MZMcBride  2011-07-18 02:32:17 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #10)
> -shell as it's not in a position to actually be enabled at this time

Re-added the "shell" and "ops" keywords. You may have one or both. You may not
have none.

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--- Comment #10 from Reedy  2011-07-17 19:56:09 UTC ---
-shell as it's not in a position to actually be enabled at this time

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--- Comment #9 from T. Gries  2011-05-31 21:35:48 UTC ---
Hello all developers and Toolserver admins (this needs access to Master db),
this bug's solution requires some statistical analysis.

Before switching on, it would be nice to have the hourly or daily number of
enotifs (for the mentioned case) which _would_ be sent out.

This could be done through a modification of UserMailer in that way, that
"enotifs for watched pages which are not user- or user_talk-pages" are _not_
sent, but only counted (you can call it "dry run", or "simulation" mode)

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--- Comment #8 from Mark A. Hershberger  2011-05-31 
14:28:52 UTC ---
Adding Tim as CC so we can see if this could be something we do like the
notifications we did in Berlin.

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--- Comment #7 from Nemo_bis  2011-05-23 20:09:24 UTC 
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Restored keyword triage added by bugmeister.

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--- Comment #6 from Leinad  2011-05-23 19:52:22 UTC ---
In http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
there is:

'wgEnotifWatchlist' => array(
'default' => false,

so reopened.

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[Bug 28026] Enable e-mail notifications for watchlist (EnotifWatchlist) on all small wikis

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Jarry1250  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Jarry1250  2011-05-23 19:49:49 UTC ---
This bug is about eNotifWatchlist? Aren't you talking about eNotifTalk, Reedy?

eNotifWatchlist (still defaulting to "false" AFAIK) includes a comment from
Tim: "// No, this does not mean everyone can have it -- TS"

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[Bug 28026] Enable e-mail notifications for watchlist (EnotifWatchlist) on all small wikis

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Reedy  changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #4 from Reedy  2011-05-23 19:23:48 UTC ---
# wgEnotifUserTalk @{
'wgEnotifUserTalk' => array(
'default' => true,
/*
'cswikinews' => true,
'dewiki' => false,
'enwiki' => false,
'enwikinews' => true, //
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12975
'enwikiquote' => true,
'enwikisource' => true, // #13386
'eswiki' => false,
'frwiki' => false,
'itwiki' => false,
'jawiki' => false,
'nlwiki' => true,
'nowikinews' => true, //
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13564
'plwiki' => false,
'ptwiki' => false,
'ruwiki' => false,
'sourceswiki' => true,
'yiwiktionary' => true, //
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5323
'yiwiki' => true, // https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12991
'zhwiki' => false,
 */
),


It's enabled everywhere now

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[Bug 28026] Enable e-mail notifications for watchlist (EnotifWatchlist) on all small wikis

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T. Gries  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from T. Gries  2011-05-20 20:57:46 UTC ---
hello, I suggest "dry run":

i.e. activate but do not send the mails, but count for while (I mean, generate
statistics, how many mails would be sent)

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Ashar Voultoiz  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Ashar Voultoiz  2011-05-20 20:49:56 UTC ---
What is bad with sending a lot of emails? Can't we "just" add new SMTP out
servers?

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[Bug 28026] Enable e-mail notifications for watchlist (EnotifWatchlist) on all small wikis

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Mark A. Hershberger  changed:

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   Keywords||triage
 CC||m...@everybody.org

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Roan Kattouw  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Roan Kattouw  2011-03-13 15:51:35 
UTC ---
Mark, does this proposal (switch e-mail notifications for watchlist to
blacklisting a few large wikis instead of whitelisting a bunch of small ones)
sound reasonable to you in terms of e-mail sending capacity and such?

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