[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 Matt Walker changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mwal...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #7 from Matt Walker --- (In reply to comment #6) > (In reply to comment #5) > > I suspect this may be superseded? FR seems to be now using some arcane > > system > > that shows banners "five times to each browser of unregistered user in > > Italy" > > or other calibrations, rather than yes/no > > Can anybody of the Fundraising team answer this, please? I wouldn't exactly call it arcane as such... we just count the number of banner impressions shown to a user. The edge case is those users who clear their cookies. > and I don't hear plans for showing banners to registered users. Ish; the plan is try and never show a banner to a registered user because we feel that if you're logged in you're probably editing which is contributing in a different way. That being said, if we fail to meet our fundraising goals we will have to annoy everyone so much more! Regarding MZ's original request though; given how we are currently doing fundraising, I would rather not implement this UI. I'm far more open to adding a hook/event to CentralNotice JS that a enterprising user could then write a gadget for; but I also don't currently see the need. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 --- Comment #6 from Andre Klapper --- (In reply to comment #5) > I suspect this may be superseded? FR seems to be now using some arcane system > that shows banners "five times to each browser of unregistered user in Italy" > or other calibrations, rather than yes/no, and I don't hear plans for showing > banners to registered users. Can anybody of the Fundraising team answer this, please? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |UNCONFIRMED CC||federicol...@tiscali.it Ever confirmed|1 |0 --- Comment #5 from Nemo --- I suspect this may be superseded? FR seems to be now using some arcane system that shows banners "five times to each browser of unregistered user in Italy" or other calibrations, rather than yes/no, and I don't hear plans for showing banners to registered users. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fundraising_2013&diff=5343126&oldid=5343122 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 Peter Gehres (WMF) changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||fundraising CC||pgeh...@wikimedia.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471
--- Comment #4 from MZMcBride 2011-11-22 07:41:32 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> So you would want some interface element in addition to the 'x'? I'm still not
> sure I understand your idea fully.
As far as I see it, there are two ways for advanced users to suppress
fundraising banners: (1) put "#siteNotice { display:none; }" or equivalent in
their user CSS or (2) visit a thank you page on wikimediafoundation.org that
sets cookies for them.
Option 1 sucks because it requires editing CSS and it eliminates all banners,
not just a particular year's fundraising banners. Option 2 sucks because it
relies on cookies and it's obscure as hell.
What I'm proposing is continuing to encourage advanced users to turn off the
donation banners, but doing so via a less obscure/hackish method than option 1
or option 2. This would be an option 3, where there's the equivalent of a
"don't show this again" message and an opt out confirmation page.
> We would actually like for people to see
> at least a couple fundraising banners during the fundraiser even if they
> dismiss them. The idea behind the thank you page "hack" is that people are
> very
> unlikely to donate more than once during a fundraiser, so for those people we
> have no reason to keep showing them banners. The hack isn't intended for
> non-donors, but I thought I'd post it on the Village Pump anyway in case some
> people wanted to exploit it.
Well, this is the bug, then. :-) No matter what you do, people will be able to
suppress the banners. I just think it should be a bit less obscure and hackish.
Put a proper form on it rather than requiring people to edit CSS or set cookies
via URL.
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[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 --- Comment #3 from Ryan Kaldari 2011-11-18 03:18:50 UTC --- So you would want some interface element in addition to the 'x'? I'm still not sure I understand your idea fully. We actually have the ability currently to make any/all of the close boxes permanently hide all the banners on all the projects. (It's a bit messy, but I've figured out a way to do it.) Thus there is no need to send people to a special page. It could all happen through Javascript. I'm not sure we'll ever actually implement such a system, though, or increase the default cookie expiration from the current 14 days. We would actually like for people to see at least a couple fundraising banners during the fundraiser even if they dismiss them. The idea behind the thank you page "hack" is that people are very unlikely to donate more than once during a fundraiser, so for those people we have no reason to keep showing them banners. The hack isn't intended for non-donors, but I thought I'd post it on the Village Pump anyway in case some people wanted to exploit it. Of course we know that some people find the banners annoying, which is why we're only going to be running the fundraiser for logged in users for a short period this year. What I would actually like to see is a system where we only show someone a banner every nth time they visit the site. I'm not sure if this would be politically possible though since we would have to do some "user tracking" to accomplish it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 --- Comment #2 from MZMcBride 2011-11-18 02:46:37 UTC --- (In reply to comment #1) > I'm not sure what would cause more unhappiness, not being able to instantly > dismiss a banner or having to see another fundraising banner after 2 weeks. I wasn't really going for either. The current "x" button should continue work as it currently does. It's got some sort of finite cookie, as I recall. Seven days, maybe? And that instantly dismisses the banner. The idea here is to emulate the behavior of visting "http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Thank_You/en"; (as described in the village pump), but rather than relying on an esoteric hack, adding a proper UI that sets the same cookies (or better, also tracks the preference to an account, though that's a separate issue). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 32471] Fundraiser banner opt out needs an interface
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32471 Ryan Kaldari changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Low CC||rkald...@wikimedia.org Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #1 from Ryan Kaldari 2011-11-18 02:08:42 UTC --- I'm not sure what would cause more unhappiness, not being able to instantly dismiss a banner or having to see another fundraising banner after 2 weeks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
