[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-09-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Pikne pi...@hot.ee changed:

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--- Comment #23 from Pikne pi...@hot.ee ---
*** Bug 51231 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 74096 merged by jenkins-bot:
Removing all disambiguation code from core

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/74096

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-09-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org changed:

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--- Comment #22 from James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org ---
Yay, closed.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-08-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 74103 merged by jenkins-bot:
Removing dependancy on SpecialDisambiguations since it's being axed.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/74103

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-07-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-07-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 74096 had a related patch set uploaded by Kaldari:
Removing all disambiguation code from core

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/74096

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-07-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-07-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 74103 had a related patch set uploaded by Kaldari:
Removing dependancy on SpecialDisambiguations since it's being axed.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/74103

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-04-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

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   Keywords|patch-need-review   |patch-in-gerrit

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-04-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org changed:

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-03-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Michelle Lee Kosik kosi...@mail.com changed:

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to comment #10)
 Should I take the issue to wikitech-l?

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-January/065707.html

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35981

--- Comment #13 from taste...@gmx.at ---
 That said, is it worth the code purity to remove this feature from core,
 likely causing disruption for sysadmins during their next MediaWiki upgrade?

The only disruption is the fact that one special page (which is currently not
even working properly on Wikimedia wikis) will disappear if the extension is
not installed.

And: the replacement of the old system (based on MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage)
by the new system (based on the __DISAMIG__ MagicWord) causes much more
disruption and extra-work for the site admins.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org ---
In the long run, it should be less work, especially since they won't have to
keep track of template redirects.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from taste...@gmx.at ---
@Ryan: Sorry for not making my point clear. I think the new way of dealing with
disambiguation pages is much better than the old one.

For those who do not read the UPGRADE notes, the special page indicating the
disambiguation page links will not work anymore no matter if the feature is
split into an extension or not. (I dont think you intend to write a maintenance
script that adds the __DISAMBIG__ MagicWord to all templates linked in
MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage.) This was the point.

By the way, I have one more point: why do you use a pagepros MagicWord and not
the category system. Typically one wants

A) some kind of a list of all disambiguation pages
B) a list of pages liking to a disambiguation page.

B is done using a special page, see your extension. But what's with A? For this
purpose, most wikis use the category system.

This still causes some doubeling: having a category for A and a page property
for B.

So, I think somehow
1) both should be done using A category
2) there should also be sldo a special page for a list of all disambiguation
pages.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org ---
The main reason for using a page property rather than a category is that
categories aren't universal across wikis. So for example, we could assign all
en.wiki disambiguation pages to Category:Disambiguation pages and query for
that category, but we would have to use a different query for each wiki. With a
page property, all disambiguation pages on all wikis can be queried for in the
exact same way (which is what mobile needs). Also note that the magic word is
localizable, but still sets the same page property.

Once the magic word is in use, creating a special page to list all
disambiguation pages would be trivial, certainly much easier than listing all
pages that link to disambiguation pages. As far as I know, no one has ever
asked for that, but if someone were to file a bug for it, I would be happy to
create such a special page.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from mybugs.m...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #16)
 Once the magic word is in use, creating a special page to list all
 disambiguation pages would be trivial, certainly much easier than listing all
 pages that link to disambiguation pages. As far as I know, no one has ever
 asked for that, but if someone were to file a bug for it, I would be happy to
 create such a special page.

Bug 44040.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org ---
It has been suggested at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Suggestions_for_extensions_to_be_integrated#Extension:Disambiguator
that the new Disambiguator extension be integrated into core. Obviously we
can't just keep moving it back and forth. Personally, I don't really care
whether it's in core or an extension (since I've written both versions now),
but we should establish some consensus. Should I take the issue to wikitech-l?

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
Sorry for the run-around.

(In reply to comment #10)
 Should I take the issue to wikitech-l?

Yeah, probably. There are three options, I guess:

* put the code only in an extension;
* leave the code in core; or
* put the code in an extension and bundle it with MediaWiki.

Does it make sense for a wiki engine to have disambiguation capability by
default? I don't think so. It feels like a specialized feature; specialized
features are what extensions were made for.

That said, is it worth the code purity to remove this feature from core,
likely causing disruption for sysadmins during their next MediaWiki upgrade?
I'm not sure.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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taste...@gmx.at changed:

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--- Comment #8 from taste...@gmx.at ---
@Ryan: the new extension looks really good. 

I just have one concern: the naming of the special page. 

I think, a self-explanatory name would be better:
Special:LinksToDisambiguationPages or Special:DisambiguationPageLinks. Such
names seam to be okey, as we have also Special:WhatLinksHere in camel case.

Moreover, it would be nice if also Special:Disambiguations could be an alias,
so no links would be broken...

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2013-01-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org ---
Changed it to Special:DisambiguationPageLinks

We can't alias it to Special:Disambiguations until that page is actually
removed from core. I haven't removed it from core yet because I want to make
sure everyone is happy with the new Special page before we get rid of the old
one. So there will be a brief period during which both special pages will be
available.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org ---
Mostly fixed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41043

Awaiting code review.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 Note: all wikis creating an encyclopedia of something use this feature,
 and a Google search seems to find dozens millions results even outside
 wiki[pm]edia.org and wikia.com, so of course this extension should be bundled
 in the main release and release notes should have some very visible warning
 about it.

This note feels like bullshit.

Do you have any evidence to support the claim that all encyclopedia-related
wikis use this feature? (Links to specific non-Wikimedia wikis would be very
helpful.)

And which Google search produced millions of results? I looked through maybe
twenty or thirty results from
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage%22+-wikipedia
and almost all of them were un-customized (the default MediaWiki message)
containing only Template:disambig.

The removal of this feature from MediaWiki core should be noted in the release
notes, to be sure, but I see absolutely no evidence currently that this feature
is widely used to the point that it should be bundled with MediaWiki, as you
suggest.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #3)
 And which Google search produced millions of results? I looked through maybe
 twenty or thirty results from
 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage%22+-
 wikipedia
 and almost all of them were un-customized (the default MediaWiki message)
 containing only Template:disambig.
 
 The removal of this feature from MediaWiki core should be noted in the
 release
 notes, to be sure, but I see absolutely no evidence currently that this
 feature
 is widely used to the point that it should be bundled with MediaWiki, as you
 suggest.

What feature are you talking about? I'm very confused.
I was thinking of queries like this:
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=disambiguation+wiki+-site%3Awikia.com+-site%3Awikipedia.org
I'm not able to find any *not* using the feature, from a quick search.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
http://marvel.com/universe/Special:Disambiguations

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to comment #4)
 What feature are you talking about? I'm very confused.
 I was thinking of queries like this:
 https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=disambiguation+wiki+-site%3Awikia.com+-
 site%3Awikipedia.org
 I'm not able to find any *not* using the feature, from a quick search.
 http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
 http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
 http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
 http://marvel.com/universe/Special:Disambiguations

You're first limiting to wikis using the word disambiguation and then seeing
if they use a disambiguation-related feature. That's... flawed.

I don't think either of our search queries are sampling MediaWiki usage
properly. I think s23 or someone used to have some MediaWiki usage stats, but I
doubt anyone has useful stats for this purpose. :-/

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Chad H. innocentkil...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 You're first limiting to wikis using the word disambiguation and then
 seeing
 if they use a disambiguation-related feature. That's... flawed.

If you're right, we have about 25 million pages with this flaw according to
Google.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
Note: all wikis creating an encyclopedia of something use this feature, and a
Google search seems to find dozens millions results even outside
wiki[pm]edia.org and wikia.com, so of course this extension should be bundled
in the main release and release notes should have some very visible warning
about it.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-12-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de changed:

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 CC||t...@tim-landscheidt.de

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-09-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35981

MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed:

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   Keywords||easy
   Priority|Unprioritized   |Low
 CC||b...@mzmcbride.com,
   ||innocentkil...@gmail.com

--- Comment #1 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com 2012-09-08 20:45:12 UTC ---
This should easy enough to do. You may need to request the creation of a Git
repo from Chad before this can be done... not sure. In any case, I'm marking
this with the easy keyword.

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[Bug 35981] Move Special:Disambiguations and relevant messages out of core to an extension

2012-04-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35981

Danny B. dann...@email.cz changed:

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 Blocks||29145

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