[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 Hugo.arg umbraeinsi...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||umbraeinsi...@gmail.com --- Comment #6 from Hugo.arg umbraeinsi...@gmail.com 2012-06-21 07:46:21 UTC --- I think you made a problem out of nowhere. Who was that language expert who decided which link should start with capital letter and which in lowercase? Look at беларуская and Беларуская (тарашкевіца). The same languages, the same grammar only different writing forms. Why they are in different case? Or lietuvių and Žemaitėška. Samogitian language follow all syntax rules of Lithuanian why should it be from capital letter? SiSwati then is a total nonsense. si is a prefix and it should be siSwati. It seems, that all these unknown languages which have small wikipedias were left randomly. I strongly suggest to return normal order with capital letters as now the sidebar looks like a mess and it's more difficult to found any link here when your sight must change from capital to lowercase letter again and again. That was a poor try to make some kind of internationalization where it was not necessary at all. As I told before, now you have problems for nothing from nowhere. Why to change things who are already working well? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #7 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2012-06-21 11:48:28 UTC --- (In reply to comment #6) Why to change things who are already working well? Hugo, I'm sorry but I have to say that your comment is entirely unhelpful (bordering personal attacks) and doesn't belong to this bug. The issue is very clear and is being worked on, please don't mess up this bug or you'll make it hard to resolve it. General discussions on the capitalization feature should be in wikitech-l, single reports of errors in separate bugs or other ways suggested in https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 Nouill nounou...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||nounou...@gmail.com --- Comment #8 from Nouill nounou...@gmail.com 2012-06-21 17:24:14 UTC --- The change is unaesthetic, useless and non-consensual. The rule which put several lowercase and several uppercase letter in a list, depending on the typological rule of the native language, is very very strange. Because I think in many language a list without sentence, have almost always uppercase letter. (At least, in french) So, in fact the change doesn't internationalize the interface. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 Marcin Cieślak marcin.cies...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||marcin.cies...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Marcin Cieślak marcin.cies...@gmail.com 2012-06-21 19:17:04 UTC --- Speaking for myself only and not for community of any language, seeing Polski on the sidebar always reminds me somebody invented this from the English-centric point of view (it's just like saying English, just translated). In reality we don't speak this way, although now this has become commonplace on the Internet unfortunately. I stumbled upon this problem one day on Commons, which has a JavaScript feature to greet users in their language and offer a switch. It was so clunky so I proposed this change: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:AnonymousI18N.jsdiff=54275686oldid=54256563 Of course, we can't fit a sentence like Ten artykuł po polsku (This article in Polish) but we can probably say something like - wersja polska (Polish version) or - w języku polskim (in the Polish language) or - po polsku (in Polish) Only first one could probably be capitalized, as it makes a good title as well (none of them forms a proper sequence). So probably we should really have en français and po polsku. I guess lowercase на русском языке would be fine as well. I think some translations already include the word language (Bahasa Indonesia if I understand correctly). But for many languages (certainly many Slavic ones) using some phrase (a pronoun + language name or three words) will be much better than just some grammatical form of the language name. Maybe something similar to the abovementioned change on Commons should be attempted. Without it we can discuss capitalization of the first letter forever. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 --- Comment #10 from Bartosz Dz matma@gmail.com 2012-06-21 20:10:43 UTC --- I wouldn't agree with Marcin. While it's true that polski is very rarely used as a noun in Polish (it usually functions as an adjective or an adverb, for ex. in expressions like język polski /the Polish language/ or po polsku /in Polish/), the usage in interwiki list does not bother me. Also, the interwiki list is language nautral, using the simplest possible name of language in that language. Forms like en français or po polsku could be confusing to people who do not speak those languages. Forms like français or polski shouldn't be confusing to anyone. Of course, if it was ever decided that this list should use translated language names, it could make sens to use forms such as po polsku or po angielsku in Polish translation, and Polish and English in English one. (Disclaimer: I only speak Polish and English on conversational level.) And back on topic, I think that making the languages names in interwiki list variable-case is wrong. All other links in the sidebar start with uppercase letters; the fact that these are names on languages shouldn't matter here. This change is breaking the design. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 --- Comment #11 from Marcin Cieślak marcin.cies...@gmail.com 2012-06-21 21:26:16 UTC --- I think there is no such thing as language nautrality (neutrality?). There is reason why the list is not delivered in the current user interface language - people not knowing current language should be able to switch to the language their understand. So the first and firemost goal is to reach out to people who can understand the target language. ქართული, ไทย or русский are not there to be understood by non-speakers. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705
--- Comment #4 from Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com 2012-06-19
06:22:29 UTC ---
How about :first-letter {text-transform: capitalize} ?
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[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin) robinp.1...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|code-update-regression | CC||robinp.1...@gmail.com Summary|[Regression] Render |Render interlanguage links |interlanguage links in |in sidebar ucfirst per |sidebar ucfirst per context |context language rules |language rules | --- Comment #1 from Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin) robinp.1...@gmail.com 2012-06-18 21:34:31 UTC --- Done in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11949/ though I used wgContLang-ucfirst() (Also removing regression, since it was a change I was aware of and not necessarily a regression.) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 --- Comment #2 from Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl 2012-06-18 21:50:07 UTC --- I don't th -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 37705] Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705 --- Comment #3 from Siebrand s.mazel...@xs4all.nl 2012-06-18 21:53:02 UTC --- I don't think this is a valid request. An antonym is an antonym. Making the first letter a capital that should be lower case makes it incorrect. so it's either left alone, or a translation is provided for the language name through for example the CLDR extension. IIRC there is an open issue for providing localized names for interlanguage links. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
