[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

Antoine hashar Musso has...@free.fr changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|VERIFIED

--- Comment #11 from Antoine hashar Musso has...@free.fr 2012-09-22 
21:15:01 UTC ---
Keep up the good work on editing the wiki and make sure to enroll new editors
:-]

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

Antoine hashar Musso has...@free.fr changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 CC||has...@free.fr
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #9 from Antoine hashar Musso has...@free.fr 2012-09-18 20:10:51 
UTC ---
I have deployed the change and ran the update script:

$ mwscript updateArticleCount.php --wiki guwikisource --update
Counting articles...found 1403.
Updating site statistics table... done.
$

http://gu.wikisource.org/wiki/વિશેષ:આંકડાકીયમાહિતી?uselang=en

લેખનું પાનું૧,૪૦૩


\O/

Let me know if there is any issue!

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

--- Comment #10 from Dhaval dsv...@gmail.com 2012-09-18 21:09:28 UTC ---
Thank you both, Dereckson and Hashar. My community will be delighted to see the
currect number tomorrow morning, which is nearly 2.5 times than what it was
showing an hour ago...! Thank you once again.

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

--- Comment #2 from Dhaval dsv...@gmail.com 2012-09-13 11:17:22 UTC ---
I don't know why for correcting this factual mistake we need community
consensus? Was there any community consensus taken before showing Gujarati
Wikisource in the group of 1000+ pages on main wikisource.org home page? Isn't
it obvious that if at one place it shows 1000 place and at the other it is just
600, that is incorrect and needs correcting? Anyways, community has always been
active (not only recently but) even from the time when gu.wikisource.org was
not created and since its creation community has discussed this issue of
incorrect page count over and over again. See the discussion
http://gu.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%AA%B8%E0%AA%AD%E0%AB%8D%E0%AA%AF%E0%AA%A8%E0%AB%80_%E0%AA%9A%E0%AA%B0%E0%AB%8D%E0%AA%9A%E0%AA%BE:Dsvyas#.E0.AA.B2.E0.AB.87.E0.AA.96.E0.AA.A8.E0.AB.80_.E0.AA.B8.E0.AA.82.E0.AA.96.E0.AB.8D.E0.AA.AF.E0.AA.BE
(where લેખની સંખ્યા means article count). We have a monthly call with community
and this issue is discussed on every call. Hope the above link is sufficient
for the satisfaction.

Will appreciate if the change is merged ASAP.

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #3 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com 2012-09-13 13:02:29 
UTC ---
Wouldn't the more accurate means to have this resolved be that you have all
main namespace pages to be linked to them from other articles/pages, and to not
have pages sitting in isolation unlinked?

Other Wikisource have author namespace, portal namespace and other means to
compile links to and from each page.  I would take as a warning if the count
varied and it was due to your having unlinked pages, and would think that you
would want to find the pages that were unlinked (orphans), and to have them
linked.

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

--- Comment #4 from Dereckson dereck...@espace-win.org 2012-09-13 13:06:50 
UTC ---
The billinghurst comment is letting me to think you should ask the community
how they want to fix the problem.

I've no objection to implement a change considering every page as discrete
entity, but this should be validated by a community decision, with other
options (like the one billinghust offered in comment 3) discussed, shouldn't
be?

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

--- Comment #5 from Dhaval dsv...@gmail.com 2012-09-13 13:40:45 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #3)
 Wouldn't the more accurate means to have this resolved be that you have all
 main namespace pages to be linked to them from other articles/pages, and to 
 not
 have pages sitting in isolation unlinked?
 
 Other Wikisource have author namespace, portal namespace and other means to
 compile links to and from each page.  I would take as a warning if the count
 varied and it was due to your having unlinked pages, and would think that you
 would want to find the pages that were unlinked (orphans), and to have them
 linked.

As this is not a wiki but wikisource, its not possible to link each page with
other. What if i have a poem which has no author namespace page on source? Or
folksongs and folklores?

Just like other wikis, we have various namespaces as well, e.g. author, portal,
index, page, etc:

Community has already discussed this at the link i provided in my comment above
and agreed to have each page in main namespace counted as unique entry.

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

Dereckson dereck...@espace-win.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|shellpolicy |shell

--- Comment #6 from Dereckson dereck...@espace-win.org 2012-09-13 13:49:07 
UTC ---
Thank you for this clarification.

In a parallel mail, Dhaval has stressed on the following point: if you see the
dates in discussion thread i provided, yoi'll realise how much time we as
community and I individually have spend on finding alternative solution. But
when we found it almost impossible to do it otherway, this aproach was
considered a last resort..

This shows the community has already considered the link all pages option and
considered it not implementable easily.

Furthermore, bug 26033 shows other projects had linking issues in the past.

[ -shellpolicy +shell ]

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

--- Comment #7 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com 2012-09-13 14:01:05 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 (In reply to comment #3)
  Wouldn't the more accurate means to have this resolved be that you have all
  main namespace pages to be linked to them from other articles/pages, and to 
  not
  have pages sitting in isolation unlinked?
  
  Other Wikisource have author namespace, portal namespace and other means to
  compile links to and from each page.  I would take as a warning if the count
  varied and it was due to your having unlinked pages, and would think that 
  you
  would want to find the pages that were unlinked (orphans), and to have them
  linked.
 
 As this is not a wiki but wikisource, its not possible to link each page with
 other. What if i have a poem which has no author namespace page on source? Or
 folksongs and folklores?
 
 Just like other wikis, we have various namespaces as well, e.g. author, 
 portal,
 index, page, etc:
 
 Community has already discussed this at the link i provided in my comment 
 above
 and agreed to have each page in main namespace counted as unique entry.

I know perfectly well that this is a Wikisource, and I am talking to you and
making these recommendations as one of the more experienced editors in the
Wikisources, and why I purposefully expressed the opinion that I did.

I dispute your statement about links.  English Wikisource clearly already does
this.  User of a standard header within each namespace that provides all the
relevant directional linking.  We are completely able to manage such linking
across the namespace.

Work in main namespace - Author in Author namespace 
 - Thematic page in Portal namespace
 - if within a published work, then linked to next component within same work

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

--- Comment #8 from Dhaval dsv...@gmail.com 2012-09-13 21:40:23 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #7)
 
 I dispute your statement about links.  English Wikisource clearly already does
 this.  User of a standard header within each namespace that provides all the
 relevant directional linking.  We are completely able to manage such linking
 across the namespace.
 

I don't think I filed this bug to discuss what en.wikisource does and what
other wikisources should do. Purpose of my filing this bug was and is to
resolve the issue we face on gu.wikisource. What you do on en.wikisource has
least concern with us, gu.wikisource community.

What would you say about the
[https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26033 bug 26033] ? or
[https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27256 bug 27256]?

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[Bug 40173] Incorrect page count on gu.wikisource

2012-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40173

Dereckson dereck...@espace-win.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||shellpolicy
 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED
 CC||dereck...@espace-win.org
 Blocks||29782
 AssignedTo|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |dereck...@espace-win.org
   |org |

--- Comment #1 from Dereckson dereck...@espace-win.org 2012-09-12 09:38:49 
UTC ---
Taking this bug. Gerrit change 23490.

Please get a local consensus for this change (I checked the recent changes and
have seen you know have a few users publishing content, it so would be a good
idea to inaugurate a community space to discuss such changes).

Note: after merging this change and deployed it, we have to run
updateArticleCount.php to update the article count. Adding a dependency to bug
29782.

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