[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #16 from Kelson [Emmanuel Engelhart]  ---
@Sj Interesting new approach. Would be interesting to get a feedback from
dev/op people about this approach.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #15 from SJ  ---
Update: during Wikimania there was discussion among a couple MW devs (thanks,
Brion) and Alexis @ the Internet Archive to enable automatic conversion to free
formats in something like the following way:

At the upload stage, when detecting a non-free video format
 - Ask for basic title/source information
 - Inform the uploader that [Commons] does not accept that format because it is
non-free, and that the Internet Archive will automatically convert it to a free
format. 
 - Pass the file handle to IA, upload there with the same title & metadata
 - Wait for IA's transcoding to finish, grab the URL of the .webm version
 - Insert that into the TMH upload and continue. 

This would address Kelson's concerns, and the concerns raised in the MP4 rfc. 
IA stores the original, maintains ffmpeg and related code, and handles the
conversion.  We include a link back to IA in our file description, to attribute
its part in the process and point to the original.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #14 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  ---
For those following this bug:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/MP4_Video

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #13 from Michael Dale  ---
impressive, is there anything javascript ~can't~ do ;) p.s I could not get the
demos to work but I am sure it could work ;) 

We have firefogg.org which somewhat similar to this, and integrated into upload
wizard, though it runs as a firefox extention with native ffmpeg rather then
cross compiled into javascript ;) Which I am sure a wee bit faster. 

It not a good user experience to have to encode in browser before the asset is
ingested, we lose archival quality, it take a lot longer time for HD content
uploads, and we really don't get around the patent issues per say if you're
directly hosting this js file for example.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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Jean-Fred  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Jean-Fred  ---
Not sure how much it is relevant, but this came under my radar today:



FFmpeg compiled into JavaScript (using Emscripten). Could theoretically
transcode whatever file is thrown by the uploader into WebM.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #11 from Kelson [Emmanuel Engelhart]  ---
Implementing this would certainly be a useful new feature for end users.

Unfortunately, if we do this, we will have to deal with a range of new
problems:

* We work to encourage creation and sharing of free content. This works well
with "free/open formats". If we start to support "priopriatery formats", we
will somehow fail to encourage the free/open one.

* We wouldn't store the original file anymore. This would be a switch in the
Media handling approach and my feeling: this stinks.

* If we support "propriatery format/codec", we will have to store a re-encoded
version of this file (as original file) and for this reason we will
systematicaly loose in quality.

* Maintenance work will grow. Assuming, we simply use the ffmpeg, this should
be relatively easy to maintain. But, if for some reason, ffmpeg has some "legal
problems" with "propriatery formats", then we will be impacted too.

All in one, I'm not convinced at all that this would be a good move. IMO,
instead of supporting propriatery technologies, we should continue to improve
our documentation, help if we can to improve free tools like for example
Firefogg.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #10 from Quim Gil  ---
The request is "Allow MPEG and WMV uploads to Commons:  transparently
convert to the preferred free media format and return that as the final file
(and filename extension) on Commons."

The important bit is to allow users to upload videos in non-free formats as
opposed to forcing them to do the conversion before uploading.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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Andre Klapper  changed:

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   Target Milestone|Future release  |---

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #9 from Michael Dale  ---
Correct. The TMH implementation for auto conversion does encode webm from
MPEG-4, it does not throw away or hide originals.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #8 from Brion Vibber  ---
Throwing away original files is never good... I'd give that a solid wontfix.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #7 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  ---
I think the original request was to convert the file and throw away the
original asset, not to transcode the unfree format. (Not sure if that's a good
idea, but I don't think that is what tmh does)

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #6 from Brion Vibber  ---
Can this be closed out now, or does it need to be repurposed to an 'enable on
Wikimedia sites' bug?

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #5 from Michael Dale  ---
Note this is supported in TMH:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TimedMediaHandler/Platform_testing

This is mostly an issue of community feature consensuses. The development
effort is mostly complete, involves changing the transcodes configuration
option and more testing.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #4 from Quim Gil  ---
Just a note to say that user Wywin as submitted a GSoC proposal related to this
report:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Wywin/mediaConvert

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Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  changed:

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Version|1.21-git|master
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   |org |
Product|MediaWiki   |MediaWiki extensions

--- Comment #3 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff)  ---
This is a TMH issue. I believe its in the plans for the future. There's
probably already a bug for this.

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[Bug 43150] Commons uploads: Support automatic conversion of video formats to free formats

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--- Comment #2 from SJ  ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> Moving to MediaWiki product, as this is not related to the Commons
> configuration but to the files handling source code.

See my comment on bug 43154 : the most general solution may involve a bit of
touching the default file-handling code in MediaWiki, but the simplest solution
could just involve changing the Commons-specific file-upload interface.

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Dereckson  changed:

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   See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia.
   ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=43149
Product|Wikimedia   |MediaWiki
   Target Milestone|--- |Future release

--- Comment #1 from Dereckson  ---
Moving to MediaWiki product, as this is not related to the Commons
configuration but to the files handling source code.

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