[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #16 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- (In reply to comment #15) Is this really fixed? I run into captcha issues all the time. I'd argue they are still extremely difficult to read. When Littlefoot's mother died in the original 'Land Before Time,' did you feel sad? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #17 from Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org --- (In reply to comment #16) (In reply to comment #15) Is this really fixed? I run into captcha issues all the time. I'd argue they are still extremely difficult to read. When Littlefoot's mother died in the original 'Land Before Time,' did you feel sad? A less hilarious/sarcastic interpretation of this answer would probably be: readability is relative. Yes, our CAPTCHA is still not particularly legible, but that's of course partially by design, and it's better than it was before Aaron kindly regenerated the images. Plus, now we serve a refresh button with the CAPTCHA, so if you can't read that one you can cycle through them. In terms of pressing items with our CAPTCHAs, I would rank readability far below the following two items: 1. Support for the visually impaired. Currently the blind or those with severely poor vision are shit out of luck, and have to request an account (if they're lucky enough to be on a wiki where the community does this). 2. Non-English CAPTCHAs. For a project that prides itself on broad i18n support like MediaWiki, it is particularly embarrassing that we make everyone fill out a CAPTCHA generated from an English dictionary. There are probably bugs for both those items that I'm too lazy to dredge up right now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #18 from Jon jrob...@wikimedia.org --- Thank you Steven for your useful and constructive reply about an issue that effects our users and project. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #19 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- (In reply to comment #17) (In reply to comment #16) (In reply to comment #15) Is this really fixed? I run into captcha issues all the time. I'd argue they are still extremely difficult to read. When Littlefoot's mother died in the original 'Land Before Time,' did you feel sad? A less hilarious/sarcastic interpretation of this answer would probably be: readability is relative. It was a lighthearted joke. Try not to be so dour. :-) In terms of pressing items with our CAPTCHAs, I would rank readability far below the following two items: 1. Support for the visually impaired. Currently the blind or those with severely poor vision are shit out of luck, and have to request an account (if they're lucky enough to be on a wiki where the community does this). This would be bug 4845. 2. Non-English CAPTCHAs. For a project that prides itself on broad i18n support like MediaWiki, it is particularly embarrassing that we make everyone fill out a CAPTCHA generated from an English dictionary. And this would be bug 5309. (In reply to comment #18) Thank you Steven for your useful and constructive reply about an issue that effects our users and project. s/effects/affects/ (In reply to comment #15) Is this really fixed? I run into captcha issues all the time. I'd argue they are still extremely difficult to read.. Why do you run into CAPTCHA issues all the time? Established users almost never are presented with them (which consequently is at least partially responsible for the low priority of improving/eliminating the CAPTCHA experience). What behaviors are you engaged in that trigger CAPTCHAs so frequently? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #20 from Jon jrob...@wikimedia.org --- I spend a lot of time creating test accounts on my local wiki... if I'm struggling with captchas other must be and data in account creation event logs seems to support that (I assume that's what ImpressionError refers to...) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Jon jrob...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jrob...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #15 from Jon jrob...@wikimedia.org --- Is this really fixed? I run into captcha issues all the time. I'd argue they are still extremely difficult to read.. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #9 from Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org --- When are wikis expected to go back to swift? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #10 from Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #9) When are wikis expected to go back to swift? Done now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #11 from Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org --- Seems good enough for now. Will monitor stats such as account creation requests and we can check in again if necessary. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||rkald...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #12 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org --- 99% of these requests would be unnecessary if we had a 'load another CAPTCHA' button like most sites have. Even the 'good' CAPTCHA images are unreadable a large percentage of the time. This problem also deters new editors who have to fill in CAPTCHAs to save their edits. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #13 from Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org --- 99% of these requests would be unnecessary if we had a 'load another CAPTCHA' button like most sites have. Even the 'good' CAPTCHA images are unreadable a large percentage of the time. This problem also deters new editors who have to fill in CAPTCHAs to save their edits. A refresh button is definitely one of the options E3 is willing to try as a followup. This was a stop gap measure. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #14 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- (In reply to comment #12) 99% of these requests would be unnecessary if we had a 'load another CAPTCHA' button like most sites have. Even the 'good' CAPTCHA images are unreadable a large percentage of the time. This problem also deters new editors who have to fill in CAPTCHAs to save their edits. This is bug 14230, for reference. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |High CC||aklap...@wikimedia.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||wikihunt...@gmail.com --- Comment #3 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- *** Bug 43355 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #4 from Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com --- A different set of captchas are in use for test2wiki. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #5 from Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org --- Created attachment 11582 -- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=11582action=edit Comparison of test2 and enwp Comparing the test2 and current CAPTCHAs on English Wikipedia, the former seems much easier to handle. (See side-by-side screenshot.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||cste...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #6 from Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org --- It looks like maybe the font used by the regeneration script may have changed? Or the ttf definition on the server changed? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #7 from Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #5) Created attachment 11582 [details] Comparison of test2 and enwp Comparing the test2 and current CAPTCHAs on English Wikipedia, the former seems much easier to handle. (See side-by-side screenshot.) These are ones I made today. I added more so there are 10K. I assume it's fine to switch to these when the other wikis go back to swift (they were reverted to nfs after some 401 errors). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #8 from Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com --- By these I mean the test2 ones. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Krenair kren...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||kren...@gmail.com Component|User login |ConfirmEdit (CAPTCHA ||extension) Product|MediaWiki |MediaWiki extensions -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||swall...@wikimedia.org Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |aschulz4...@gmail.com |org | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||p858sn...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com --- Changing storage back-ends shouldn't have done anything like this AFAIK? Can you provide examples? Could these requests be correlating with when the actual CAPTCHAs were broken and not loading? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||b...@mzmcbride.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43546] Improve CAPTCHA readability
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43546 --- Comment #2 from Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org --- I should have explained: I corresponded with Aaron and RobLa over email prior to filing this bug, and they confirmed that images were regenerated recently. It all correlates pretty clearly with the bump in requests, which went from under 70/day, to between one and two hundred a day since the 20th. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
