[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|FIXED |--- --- Comment #11 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- (In reply to comment #10) External search engines: [discouraged | allowed] Sorry, I've been thinking about this bug for nearly a month and I don't agree that it's resolved. I'd really like to see us not use disallowed here. I think discouraged would be much more accurate, if even if it doesn't have perfect symmetry to allowed. This imperfect symmetry (discouraged/allowed) best matches reality, I think. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|federicol...@tiscali.it |wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. ||org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 --- Comment #7 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 78413 merged by jenkins-bot: Clarify info action's search engine status https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78413 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|PATCH_TO_REVIEW |RESOLVED CC||matma@gmail.com Version|unspecified |1.22-git Resolution|--- |FIXED Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |federicol...@tiscali.it |org | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|FIXED |--- --- Comment #8 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- I'm not sure switching to allowed/disallowed resolves this bug. Indexing directives are optional. I think using discouraged/encouraged is a bit clearer here and gives less of an illusion of control. However, nobody else seems to agree, so I'll leave this bug alone for now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 --- Comment #9 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- (In reply to comment #8) I'm not sure switching to allowed/disallowed resolves this bug. Indexing directives are optional. I think using discouraged/encouraged is a bit clearer here and gives less of an illusion of control. However, nobody else seems to agree, so I'll leave this bug alone for now. Everything is optional, except law, and almost no web standard are made into laws, so I hope people understand. If you manage to find some other language which is used by anyone but us, it could be borrowed; I agree with you but couldn't find anything better. Encouraged is also not really correct, as merely not disallowing something doesn't mean encouraging it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 --- Comment #10 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- External search engines: [discouraged | allowed] Blergh. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 --- Comment #6 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org --- Change 78413 had a related patch set uploaded by Nemo bis: Clarify info action's search engine status https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78413 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |PATCH_TO_REVIEW -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 --- Comment #5 from Richard Guk richardg...@yahoo.com --- Well at least I've demonstrated that the current wording is confusing. :/ There are at least four confusable tests: - robots:noindex meta tag (reported) - __NOINDEX__ behavior switch (sets meta tag in non-article space) - robots.txt status (not reported; set independently) - internal search status (not reported; always true?). So, to reflect the robots meta value more closely, how about: External search: Index / No index Stilted grammar, but makes it easier to see that it corresponds to the noindex meta tag. And, given the potential for confusion, there's a strong case for linking External search to an explanatory page such as [[WP:NOINDEX]] or the [[noindex]] article. (See also bug 42867 for an inconsistency in the reported search status depending on how a page is specified in the URL.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Richard Guk richardg...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||richardg...@yahoo.com --- Comment #3 from Richard Guk richardg...@yahoo.com --- Assuming that the output relates to robots.txt status (not to internal search), I suggest changing the text to: External search: Allowed/Disallowed Reasons: - if the status is based on robots.txt and is not always identical to the internal search indexing, then External would be more accurate; - status usually refers to the outcome of a process, which is misleading here because the info is about a setting; - Disallowed: is the standard wording used in robots.txt, so using Allowed and Disallowed is more consistent and makes the technical meaning more obvious. Though Discouraged would be slightly more accurate for non-technical users, the word is still ambiguous and fails to reflect the robots.txt wording. If you think that Allowed/Disallowed are still too confusing, then External search: could be linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/robots.txt or to the article at [[Robots exclusion standard]]. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 --- Comment #4 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- (In reply to comment #3) Assuming that the output relates to robots.txt status (not to internal search), [...] The output has no relation to robots.txt, as far as I'm aware. It's related to the noindex value of the meta element's content attribute. For example: meta name=robots content=noindex,follow / This HTML element can be controlled per-page on non-content namespaces using the __INDEX__/__NOINDEX__ magic words or per-namespace using global configuration variables. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|Unprioritized |Low -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||kren...@gmail.com, ||mediawiki-bugs@nadir-seen-f ||ire.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|easy|i18n Blocks||38638 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||easy --- Comment #1 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com --- Restoring the easy keyword following discussion with Krinkle. Bugs marked with easy do not need to be explicitly spelled out about how to move forward (e.g., go to path/to/file.php and change this line). They just need to be straightforward in the goal. We can add a separate thoughtless or trivial category if people would like. I think Nemo is beginning to question the value of the keyword altogether. He may be right, though I like the idea of having an index of easy bugs for people to get involved with. Maybe this would be better served by [[mw:annoying little bugs]]. Easy in keywords currently means this would be a good bug for a new developer to take a stab at. In this case, a new developer might come along, do some thoughtful consideration (as is sometimes required with bugs), and say what about X or Y? in a Bugzilla comment or perhaps in a Gerrit changeset. Then we can move forward. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 43935] Info action's search engine status language could use tweaking
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43935 Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added URL||https://translatewiki.net/w ||iki/Thread:Support/Pageinfo ||-robot-index --- Comment #2 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it --- See URL: I recently had to improve /qqq given the little clarity of the message, but I'm not sure I did it so well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
