[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2014-04-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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   See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia.
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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

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   Priority|High|Normal
 CC||lvi...@wikimedia.org

--- Comment #11 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
No good reasons for high priority here (fixing has no obvious urgency), plus
proposing WONTFIX due to legal requirements.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #12 from Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org ---
Thanks, André and MZ McBride.

I concur with your recommendation to mark the but as wontfix, for all the
reasons stated above.

I have gone ahead and done that.

Thanks again to everyone for your thoughtful observations on this issue!

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||phili...@wikimedia.org

--- Comment #4 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net ---
CC'ing Philippe so that he can confirm with LCA if they really want to be named
in the body of the e-mails.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

--- Comment #5 from Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org ---
Thanks for bringing this up. 

The decision to include the WMF address in notification emails was made by
Michelle Paulson in the Wikimedia Foundation's legal team.

This address is required by law, and is consistent with best practices for this
type of notifications. 

Please let us know if you have any further questions about this. Thank you!

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

Platonides platoni...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||platoni...@gmail.com

--- Comment #6 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com ---
This is completely silly. Not even in OTRS we use the WMF address. And that
text doesn't properly the fact that WMF operates the server, but has absolutely
*nothing* to do with the content.

Added by bsitu on 18 Dec 2012, in e4d435a5da8b51bf1988a8d242eb7eb0c4fa1d99. The
commit message says nothing about any email regulation (“Configuration change
for Echo extension”). Looks like someone simply thought it was a good idea.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

--- Comment #7 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com ---
Fabrice, if you really want to keep the address, what about prepending it with
This site is operated by  [Wikimedia Foundation...] Even then, I'd expect
some people misunderstanding it, taking it as coming from WMF.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

--- Comment #8 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 The decision to include the WMF address in notification emails was made by
 Michelle Paulson in the Wikimedia Foundation's legal team.

Did they also review/request the specific implementation/look of it?

 
 This address is required by law, and is consistent with best practices for
 this
 type of notifications. 

What best practices? I don't see anything like that in Google's or eBay's
notifications. Twitter has a line but it's very hidden, at the end of a
small-font footer after several lines of other meta information on how to
unsubscribe etc.
On the contrary, this footer is probably the most prominent part of the
notification.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-04-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||b...@mzmcbride.com

--- Comment #10 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
As I understand it, the [[CAN-SPAM Act of 2003]] requires that certain
organizations include a physical mailing address in e-mails.

From that article's Content compliance section:

---
A legitimate physical address of the publisher and/or advertiser is present. PO
Box addresses are acceptable in compliance with 16 C.F.R. § 316.2(p) and if the
email is sent by a third party, the legitimate physical address of the entity,
whose products or services are promoted through the email should be visible.
---

Arguably that law only applies to commercial entities like Google and Facebook,
but lawyers will be lawyers. :-)

For what it's worth, every Facebook notification e-mail I receive has this
footer or a close variant:

---
View Conversation on Facebook · Reply to this email to message Some Sender.
This message was sent to y...@example.com. If you don't want to receive these
emails from Facebook in the future, please unsubscribe.
Facebook, Inc., Attention: Department 415, PO Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303
---

I rarely get e-mail from Google, but the most recent e-mail I received
(something I opted in to, even) included this footer:

---
copy; 2013 Google Inc., 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043,
USA. Privacy Policy | Terms of Service
You are receiving this notification for every newly generated Google Account
Activity Report. Change reminder settings
---

Yes, even with the copy;. Silly Google.

This bug may be a wontfix, unless the goal is to simply make the mailing
address less obtrusive. Fabrice is right that using HTML e-mail will mitigate
this annoyance heavily.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46315

PleaseStand pleasest...@live.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||pleasest...@live.com

--- Comment #1 from PleaseStand pleasest...@live.com ---
From https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php :

'wmgEchoEmailFooterAddress' = array(
'default' = 'Wikimedia Foundation, 149 New Montgomery St., 3rd Fl.,
San Francisco, CA 94105.',
),

This is parameter $1 in message 'echo-email-footer-default'.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||shell
 CC||benap...@gmail.com,
   ||dereck...@espace-win.org,
   ||wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.
   ||org,
   ||wikimedia.b...@snowolf.eu
  Component|Echo|Site requests
Version|master  |wmf-deployment
Product|MediaWiki extensions|Wikimedia

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |High

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #2 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #0)
 
 The WMF never wants to appear responsible of the users' messages and emails.

I think the WMF might actually need to be here, due to some anti-spam
requirements, You can always git blame the noc.local settings to see who added
it and follow up with that user.

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

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 CC||s...@reedyboy.net

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 I think the WMF might actually need to be here, due to some anti-spam
 requirements

Anti-spam requirements? This is text in the email body...

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[Bug 46315] Email notifications should not be signed with the WMF address

2013-03-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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jeremyb bugzilla+org.wikime...@tuxmachine.com changed:

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