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--- Comment #29 from Bartosz Dziewoński  ---
This appears rather fixed now. :)

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--- Comment #28 from Fabrice Florin  ---
I agree. We would like to confirm that this implementation works for community
members, in the spirit of close collaboration and rapid iterations for this
experimental feature. I will post an update shortly on the Notification and
Thanks talk pages to get some feedback. Thanks!

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--- Comment #27 from Technical 13  ---
(In reply to comment #26)
> This fix is live on en.wiki now. Can this bug be closed?

I'd rather it wasn't until there has been a few days to try it out and see what
the response is.  Just my personal thoughts though...

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--- Comment #26 from Ryan Kaldari  ---
This fix is live on en.wiki now. Can this bug be closed?

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--- Comment #25 from Fabrice Florin  ---
Thanks, Kaldari. Let's try it out that way and see if it solves the problem.
Much appreciated.

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--- Comment #24 from Ryan Kaldari  ---
Confirmation step added in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67591/. Needs
review.

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--- Comment #23 from Fabrice Florin  ---
I agree with Technical 13. 

This proposed re-ordering of links seems premature, since we're all discussing
better solutions with the community.

What community members are telling us is that they don't think that a cosmetic
solution is sufficient (e.g. adding more space or a visual cue, or changing the
order of the links).

Based on community feedback, I just posted my findings and recommendations for
next steps here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notifications/Thanks#Recap

Feel free to chime in on that discussion page about the two key ideas we're now
considering (confirmation popup or quick countdown).

The full spreadsheet of community responses is here:

https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq_75_5y5sKWdFJ6MjN5UTlpYlMwVW1lQVFnbnJFSFE#gid=0

Overall, I think we're getting to a good place with this discussion. Thanks to
Technical 13 and other community members for all your help in making this
happen!

To be continued ...


Fabrice

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--- Comment #22 from Technical 13  ---
(In reply to comment #21)
> As an intermediate solution, can we at least swap the positions of the "Undo"
> and "Thank" links? That should dramatically decrease the likelyhood of
> clicking
> Thanks by accident, as we all expect the Undo link at the right most
> position.

Please do not do that... It will cause a lot more confusion than it will do
good.

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--- Comment #21 from Erwin Dokter  ---
As an intermediate solution, can we at least swap the positions of the "Undo"
and "Thank" links? That should dramatically decrease the likelyhood of clicking
Thanks by accident, as we all expect the Undo link at the right most position.

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--- Comment #20 from Fabrice Florin  ---
Hi everyone, thank you so much for all your helpful feedback about the Thanks
feature! We have reviewed all the comments from a variety of channels and have
started to discuss and prioritize feature requests, based on your suggestions. 

Over a dozen people have reported issues with the thanks link, which has caused
some to accidentally click "thank" instead of "undo" on history and diff pages,
as described on this Bugzilla ticket. 

We are now working on this issue as our top priority, as it appears that the
current placement next to undo is problematic, as well as the lack of a
confirmation or 'unthank' function. 

To help us solve this issue quickly, we would be grateful if you could answer a
few questions, so we can pinpoint the problem more accurately -- and develop an
appropriate solution in coming days. 

To keep our discussion focused in one place, we have posted these questions and
a feature update on this Thanks talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notifications/Thanks#Thanks_feature_update

We encourage you to post your answers on that thread. 

Thanks again for all your good insights!


P.S.: Personally, I like  ypnypn9's idea to show a popup saying 'Thank
 for this edit. (OK) (Cancel)', as described above. This seems like a
reasonable and practical solution. But let's take a closer look at the answers
to our questions to finalize the best solution based on user feedback.

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--- Comment #19 from johnc...@hotmail.com ---
I too agree with ypnypn9's suggestion of an "Are you sure?" type pop-up
requiring a second click, as a more natural alternative to an "Un-thank"
option, and less confusing to the recipient.

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--- Comment #18 from Ryan Kaldari  ---
ypnypn9's suggestion seems the most reasonable, both in terms of technical
complexity and non-confusing UI-ness.

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--- Comment #17 from ypny...@gmail.com ---
How about if you click "thank", you get a pop-up saying

 Thank  for this edit. (OK) (Cancel)

This would both clarify what the link means, and provide a confirmation/undo
option.

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--- Comment #16 from Fabrice Florin  ---
Thanks for all your recommendations for improving the Thanks feature! We will
review them with our design team this week and respond in a few days. In the
meantime, I have given a normal priority to this bug, so it shows up higher on
our list.

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--- Comment #15 from MZMcBride  ---
(In reply to comment #13)
> Okay, in other news pertaining to thanks... [...]

Yeah, this is a separate issue. :-)  I split this out to bug 49087.

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--- Comment #14 from MZMcBride  ---
(In reply to comment #11)
> I'm still thinking that making the post-thank bold text (Thanked) into a link
> that can be clicked to (de-thank) or (un-thank) is the best solution.

You should read bug 46690 comment 4 and the follow-up comment.

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--- Comment #13 from Technical 13  ---
Okay, in other news pertaining to thanks...  I just learned about
[[Special:Log/thanks]] and think that this log should be expanded to include a
link to the edit.  So instead of:

11:26, June 3, 2013 Okeyes (WMF) (talk | contribs) thanked Foo (talk |
contribs)

it would read:

11:26, June 3, 2013 Okeyes (WMF) (talk | contribs) thanked Foo (talk |
contribs) for this edit

and the words "this edit" would link to the diff of the revision...

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--- Comment #12 from ignatzmice.w...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #11)
> I'm still thinking that making the post-thank bold text (Thanked) into a link
> that can be clicked to (de-thank) or (un-thank) is the best solution.

Brilliant. This would be best, I think. Prolly would require massive coding; I
rather imagine the ability to *remove* notifications isn't in place yet. But it
would be the most elegant.

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--- Comment #11 from Technical 13  ---
I'm still thinking that making the post-thank bold text (Thanked) into a link
that can be clicked to (de-thank) or (un-thank) is the best solution.

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--- Comment #10 from johnc...@hotmail.com ---
I'm not sure what's the best solution, but a one-click, non-reversible "Thank"
button right next to "Undo" is *not* a good idea. If accidentally clicked when
undoing vandalism or an unacceptable edit, the recipient will think it is
sarcasm, or just be confused, so it would be necessary to follow up with an
awkward "ignore that thank-you, it was a mistake, I have undone your edit
because... " message.

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--- Comment #9 from ignatzmice.w...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> Someone could probably expand my solution on Bug 46412 and my new
> [[User:Technical 13/Scripts/NoThanks.js]] to make it so that "(thank)" (or any
> of the others) is grayed out until clicked on and then the second click would
> perform the action...

*Something* like that would be good. Maybe not grayed out, as that often (such
as in pref panes) means "this option is not available, move along". Maybe the
"thank" could turn into "are you sure?" or similar once clicked, and clicking
again would actually do it. But—again—I am worried about JS bloat. sigh...

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--- Comment #8 from Technical 13  ---
Someone could probably expand my solution on Bug 46412 and my new
[[User:Technical 13/Scripts/NoThanks.js]] to make it so that "(thank)" (or any
of the others) is grayed out until clicked on and then the second click would
perform the action...  I would be happy to work on that.  I've been thinking of
improving and modifying that code anyways and I could add multiple settings to
allow for hiding/removal of rollback, block, thank, and undo links based on
user settings...

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--- Comment #7 from MZMcBride  ---
Ongoing discussion here:
.

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--- Comment #6 from MZMcBride  ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> And, for what's worth, I hide rollback links everywhere because I never use
> them and when they were exposed, I would accidentally click them. This is
> particularly problematic on touch screen devices.

I filed the rollback issue as bug 47782.

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--- Comment #5 from Ryan Kaldari  ---
>And, for what's worth, I hide rollback links everywhere because I never use
>them and when they were exposed, I would accidentally click them. This is
>particularly problematic on touch screen devices.

Yeah, I have a hell of a time using the history and diff interfaces on
touchscreen period. These are in need of an overhaul (part of the minerva
project perhaps).

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--- Comment #4 from MZMcBride  ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> Requiring 2 clicks for a non-destructive action (thanking), but only 1 for a
> destructive action (rollback) seems strange.

Rollback is reversible and tracked (in Special:Contributions,
Special:Watchlist, Special:RecentChanges). Rollback is also intentionally not
exposed to users until they opt in to it (via an additional user group).

And, for what's worth, I hide rollback links everywhere because I never use
them and when they were exposed, I would accidentally click them. This is
particularly problematic on touch screen devices.

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--- Comment #3 from Ryan Kaldari  ---
Requiring 2 clicks for a non-destructive action (thanking), but only 1 for a
destructive action (rollback) seems strange. Personally, I don't think we need
to complicate it with a confirmation or unthanking interface, but that's just
my opinion (and I tend to have a "less interface is better interface"
philosophy). In the meantime would be good to get more opinions on this. Feel
free to invite other Wikipedians to comment on the bug and I'll run it by the
designers as well.

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Screenshot of mediawiki.org Thanks extension link in the page history,
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