[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #22 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to comment #21)
> (In reply to comment #17)
> > The old name was clearer because it had a clear prefix, shell-, which 
> > clearly
> > connected this keyword to its sibling (and opposite) "shell".
> 
> It's pretty lame that the keywords input on the Bugzilla form can't accept
> "consensus" as a match for "community-consensus-needed".

That's easy to fix, just drop the community- part. :)

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #21 from MZMcBride  ---
(In reply to comment #17)
> The old name was clearer because it had a clear prefix, shell-, which clearly
> connected this keyword to its sibling (and opposite) "shell".

It's pretty lame that the keywords input on the Bugzilla form can't accept
"consensus" as a match for "community-consensus-needed". The input appears to
be strictly prefix-based for suggestions.

> I suggest to keep "shell" (or shell's new name) as prefix.

My general view here is that the keywords field is basically a tool for
Bugzilla power-users and any random user who tries to use this field will
invariably do it wrong. Even experienced users (like me!) will sometimes screw
up, regardless of how clear the keyword _or_ its description text is. (And I
agree that nobody ever reads these description texts.)

Bugzilla keywords are simple markers of particular patterns. Let's not
overcomplicate this. :-)  shellpolicy was bad and community-consensus-needed is
better. If we can find something even better than community-consensus-needed,
we can use that. shell-onhold doesn't seem to be any better, though.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #20 from Andre Klapper  ---
I think the current one is lessing confusing and more descriptive than the
previous one.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #19 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to comment #18)
> Nemo: Could the keyword description in
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describekeywords.cgi instead be improved (to
> mention that the request has to come from wiki communities, for example), or
> information on the linked page
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes ?

Maybe, but people don't look at descriptions. Bad names are very hard to
compensate, no description will avoid us the confusion with the current onw.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #18 from Andre Klapper  ---
Nemo: Could the keyword description in
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describekeywords.cgi instead be improved (to
mention that the request has to come from wiki communities, for example), or
information on the linked page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes ?

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #17 from Nemo  ---
(In reply to comment #15)
> (In reply to comment #14)
> > "shellpolicy" is not only about "community consensus needed"
> 
> What else? (I can imagine a little bit, but your descriptive words might
> simply
> be helpful to improve this.)

See comment 1, comment 7 and follow links; e.g. [[m:Limits to configuration
changes]].

> >, moreover the new
> > name is too broad and vague (despite being so long) and is already causing
> > disruption (see bug 56346). I suggest reverting.
> 
> How was the old name clearer? Or any other proposal you have in mind?

The old name was clearer because it had a clear prefix, shell-, which clearly
connected this keyword to its sibling (and opposite) "shell". I suggest to keep
"shell" (or shell's new name) as prefix.
If "policy" is not a clear word, we could use "on hold". So shell-onhold for
instance.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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Bartosz Dziewoński  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||matma@gmail.com

--- Comment #16 from Bartosz Dziewoński  ---
I think it's fine. But if we need to change it (again), maybe something like
'request-needs-consensus'?

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--- Comment #15 from Andre Klapper  ---
(In reply to comment #14)
> "shellpolicy" is not only about "community consensus needed"

What else? (I can imagine a little bit, but your descriptive words might simply
be helpful to improve this.)

>, moreover the new
> name is too broad and vague (despite being so long) and is already causing
> disruption (see bug 56346). I suggest reverting.

How was the old name clearer? Or any other proposal you have in mind?

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Nemo  changed:

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--- Comment #14 from Nemo  ---
"shellpolicy" is not only about "community consensus needed", moreover the new
name is too broad and vague (despite being so long) and is already causing
disruption (see bug 56346). I suggest reverting.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #13 from Ori Livneh  ---
Agreed. Thanks, Andre.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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--- Comment #12 from Dereckson  ---
Yes, community-consensus-needed is a fine keyword, this will be clearer to
understand by bugzilla newcomers. Thank you to have clarified this one.

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[Bug 49494] "shellpolicy" keyword is badly named - rename to "community-consensus-needed"

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Andre Klapper  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
   Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |aklap...@wikimedia.org
   |org |
Summary|"shellpolicy" keyword is|"shellpolicy" keyword is
   |badly named |badly named - rename to
   ||"community-consensus-needed
   ||"

--- Comment #11 from Andre Klapper  ---
Keyword name changed; description updated to link to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes , small
improvement to wikipage made (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes&diff=6331806&oldid=5670215
), and updated the one wikipage that mentioned "shellpolicy" (
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Shell_requests&diff=818355&oldid=672352
).

Closing as RESOLVED FIXED.

(In reply to comment #9)
> While updating this page, could you also remove all mentions of the 
> "patch-in-gerrit" keyword since you removed it a while ago?

Oops, thanks, also fixed now.

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--- Comment #10 from Andre Klapper  ---
Petr, Dereckson, Snowolf: Any comments (or just an "OK, I've seen this and
don't care)? If not I'll go ahead soon.

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--- Comment #9 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski  ---
Not sure what's the purpose of comment 8, Andre seems to be working on the
change, or is at least planning to.

@Andre: I haven't been able to find any other documentation on MediaWiki.org,
either, but I just remembered we have
. While updating this
page, could you also remove all mentions of the "patch-in-gerrit" keyword since
you removed it a while ago? Thanks :-)

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Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> What is needed for this to be done?

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--- Comment #7 from Andre Klapper  ---
+1. Only docs I could find are https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Shell_requests

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--- Comment #6 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski  ---
I think this will be an improvement over the current situation; certainly it'll
help us avoid confusion and make things easier for new Bugzilla users. 

I don't have any opinion about the exact wording of the new keyword; I'm OK
with both "needs-community-consensus" and "community-consensus-needed" and will
leave it up to you, Andre, to decide which version to introduce.

Aside from updating the necessary documentation on MediaWiki.org, I suggest
that you also drop a short announcement e-mail onto wikitech-l so people know
about this change. (Yeah, I know that's obvious, but here we go.)

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Andre Klapper  changed:

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   ||dereck...@espace-win.org,
   ||tom...@twkozlowski.net,
   ||wikimedia.b...@snowolf.eu

--- Comment #5 from Andre Klapper  ---
So I think I'd go for "community-consensus-needed".

I am CC'ing the default CC members for "Site requests" on this report (Petr,
Dereckson, Tomasz, Snowolf).
The question is: Shall we rename "shellpolicy" to "community-consensus-needed"?
I want you all to be aware (as you need to set this), and would love to get
"Good idea"/"Please don't do that"/"I don't care" feedback.

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Tomasz W. Kozlowski  changed:

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 CC||tom...@twkozlowski.net

--- Comment #4 from Tomasz W. Kozlowski  ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> What is needed for this to be done?

Just a say so from Andre and his changing the keyword on lots of bugs &
updating documentation on MediaWiki.org.

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This, that and the other  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from This, that and the other  ---
What is needed for this to be done?

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Andre Klapper  changed:

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   Priority|Unprioritized   |Normal
Summary|"shellpolicy" is badly  |"shellpolicy" keyword is
   |named   |badly named

--- Comment #2 from Andre Klapper  ---
In general: +1. 
Maybe even rename it to "needs-community-consensus"?

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