[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-07-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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ssas...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|PATCH_TO_REVIEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #31 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
This has since been fixed in core.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-06-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #30 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 94443 abandoned by Cscott:
Revert Have list items occupy their own line.

Reason:
Abandoned in favor of Ib7aa9449bbd994cb23b83b3f23cff944b1cddadf

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94443

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-06-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #29 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 134380 merged by jenkins-bot:
Update list item newline handling to follow Parsoid's model

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134380

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-05-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #27 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 134380 had a related patch set uploaded by GWicke:
Update list item newline handling to follow Parsoid's model

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134380

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-05-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #28 from Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Bartosz Dziewoński from comment #26)
 (In reply to Gabriel Wicke from comment #25)
  PHP + tidy inserts newlines in the first case too, which is broken.
 
 I'm pretty sure that this is the case only if Tidy is enabled, and that kind
 of behavior is one of the many reasons why I want to kill it. (I really do
 not know why no one from the Parsoid team shares my sentiment about this.)

Believe me, we want to kill it just as much as you do. And we have been working
hard on it for 2+ years now.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
Sorry, but it isn't. The *old* PHP parser output is:

ullia
/lilib
/lilic
/li/ul

No linebreak *between* list items. Parsoid goes (if I understand above
correctly):

ullia/li
lib/li
lic/li/ul

I want the PHP parser to behave the smae.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org ---
Parsoid does not insert newlines where there are none:

ullifoo/lilibar/li/ul

in wikitext becomes 

ullifoo/lilibar/li/ul

It does preserve newlines from wikitext though:

* foo 
* bar
* baz

in wikitext becomes

ulli foo/li
li bar/li
li baz/li/ul

PHP + tidy inserts newlines in the first case too, which is broken.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #26 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Gabriel Wicke from comment #25)
 PHP + tidy inserts newlines in the first case too, which is broken.

I'm pretty sure that this is the case only if Tidy is enabled, and that kind of
behavior is one of the many reasons why I want to kill it. (I really do not
know why no one from the Parsoid team shares my sentiment about this.)

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
I also have a problem understanding 'dirty diffs'. Where does parsoid get its
HTML from? I thought it converted wikitext to HTML and then back. So how does
the parser even come into play? Is Tidy also involved? Sorry to ask al this,
but I simply need a basic understanding of parsoid.

FYI, the nowrap has been completely removed from hlist, so there are no CSS
hacks to deal with. But any locally applied nowrap may cause errors, so the
linebreaks must remain.

I can't help but feel that this issue is a major blocker for any parser
improvement in the future, so I want to understand exactly where the problem
exists and come up with a solution that will prevent such issues in the future.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
Parsoid converts wikitext to HTML and back. Tidy does not enter the picture at
all in the Parsoid pipeline.

There are two separate issues:

1. Parsoid uses the same set of PHP parser tests to make sure that Parsoid
generates HTML that doesn't break existing wikitext. It uses PHP HTML to
serialize back to wikitext. The extra newline that PHP parser emits introduces
extra newlines in wikitext. a\n\n*b instead of a\n*b. So, the extra newline
is a dirty diff. This now obscures our regular testing because we blacklist
these failing tests and then try to compare changes in HTML output. So, not
entirely unworkable, but requires greater diligence to monitor regressions
during development. Ideally, we wouldn't have these failures. Alternatively, we
have to fix Parsoid's HTML to wikitext conversion to ignore the extra newlines
when they come from the parser's insertion rather than from source -- that
means extra bookkeeping.

2. If you want Parsoid HTML to have the same CSS semantics like PHP HTML,
Parsoid would also have to start adding these newlines after ul and before
/ul. These extra newline characters would now have to be accounted for in the
DSR calculations (DSR maps a range to wikitext source to a DOM subtree, ex:
wikitext substring [3,9] generate pfoobar/p HTML) which is also additional
bookkeeping. DSR calculations has been carefully tweaked to account for every
single character of wikitext so that Parsoid can faithfully output original
wikitext on unedited portions of the HTML. So, Parsoid would have to ignore the
extra inserted newlines in its calculations. Without accounting for them,
Parsoid will generate different wikitext on conversion which manifests as
dirty diffs. Again, all of this extra bookkeeping can be done.

But, if we can avoid the extra newlines, the extra work can be avoided.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Erwin Dokter from comment #15)

 I can't help but feel that this issue is a major blocker for any parser
 improvement in the future, so I want to understand exactly where the problem
 exists and come up with a solution that will prevent such issues in the
 future.

This is not a general blocker. Parser changes can be done and have been done,
but changes have to be considered carefully since there are a lot of dependent
users, and that is what you are seeing here in this bug report discussion.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
Re: a\n\n*b

I don't understand where the extra newline comes from, as the parser outputs
only one. Regardless... perhaps we need to go about this another way.

There should be a simple set of rules that govern how parser and parsoid
interact, for example:

* block level elements (including list itema) must be terminated with e newline
* all other (inline) elements should not

Would that ease the situation?

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Erwin Dokter from comment #18)
 * block level elements (including list itema) must be terminated with e
 newline
 * all other (inline) elements should not
 
 Would that ease the situation?

This would in fact complicate the situation. We don't insert newlines in HTML
where there were none in the original wikitext. This preserves the semantics
independent of the CSS whitespace styling (remember that 'pre' is a possible
value) and helps us to round-trip wikitext correctly without introducing
spurious newlines.

As discussed in bug 39617, the newlines don't seem to be necessary any more now
that the nowrap requirement is gone. Taking into account the cost they have for
Parsoid development, I'd recommend removing the code that inserts them from the
PHP parser.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
OK, this discussion is not going to end in the next couple of hundred years,
partly because I will never understand what is really going on. I still don't
know where parsoid is getting its HTML from. Can't be from the browser DOM;
that has gone through Tidy. 

Revert the patch.

I just want the parser (as long as it lasts) to emit some sanely formatted
lists, just as it outputs sanely formatted tables. Is that too much to ask?

If I can make the parser to make a clean break *only* between /li and li,
without any linebreak before or after ul and /ul, would that make parsoid
happy?

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Erwin Dokter from comment #20)
 OK, this discussion is not going to end in the next couple of hundred years,
 partly because I will never understand what is really going on. 

Do you want to pop onto IRC (#mediawiki-parsoid) sometime and chat with us
about this? We can then post the summary here after that. It might be simpler
to figure this out in a more interactive discussion than is possible via
bugzilla comments. I am going to be signing off for the day shortly, but the
IRC channel is usually active between 9 am PST - 4 pm PST when most of us are
around.

 I still
 don't know where parsoid is getting its HTML from. Can't be from the browser
 DOM; that has gone through Tidy. 

No, Parsoid generates the HTML as I indicated in Comment 16. In the case of
Visual Editor use, VE then sends that HTML (alongwith any user edits) to
Parsoid to convert back to wikitext.

Since Parsoid HTML will replace PHP parser HTML at some point in the
foreseeable future (this year possibly), if anything requires these newlines to
be present for functionality, Parsoid will also have to add them and that is
what we are complaining about so far.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #22 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
Ah, so it is only the *tests* that are affected. I think I understand now.

Still my question remains: can I make the parser make a clean break *only*
between /li and li (as that is the core issue affecting nowrap), without
any linebreak before or after ul and /ul?

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2014-02-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Erwin Dokter from comment #22)
 Ah, so it is only the *tests* that are affected. I think I understand now.

Not just tests. See part (2) in Comment 16.

 Still my question remains: can I make the parser make a clean break *only*
 between /li and li (as that is the core issue affecting nowrap), without
 any linebreak before or after ul and /ul?

That is already the case since wikitext has newlines between list items. See
below for Parsoid's output.

[subbu@earth tests] echo *a\n*b\n*c | node parse
body data-parsoid='{dsr:[0,9,0,0]}'ul data-parsoid='{dsr:[0,8,0,0]}'li
data-parsoid='{dsr:[0,2,1,0]}'a/li
li data-parsoid='{dsr:[3,5,1,0]}'b/li
li data-parsoid='{dsr:[6,8,1,0]}'c/li/ul
/body

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-12-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |High

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl changed:

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 CC||er...@darcoury.nl

--- Comment #8 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
Oh for crying...! Please provide a COMPLETE working set of CSS for horizontal
lists that supposedly fixes all the bugs I have spent TWO YEARS trying to fix!
I have tested EVERY scenario, including inline-block, which breaks nested lists
in *ALL* browsers.

Unless you come up with a working CSS solution (which I doubt you will), I
insist my patch be reinstated and Parsoid be fixed instead.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #8)
 Unless you come up with a working CSS solution (which I doubt you will), I
 insist my patch be reinstated and Parsoid be fixed instead.

(Just a note that the patch was not reverted, but a revert has been submitted
for review / consideration.)

Is there a demo of hlist set up somewhere? Or a list of things it does, and a
list of cases it supports? Any of these things would be very useful here.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugzilla.wikimedia.
   ||org/show_bug.cgi?id=39617

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css contain current CSS for
hlist.
https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Edokter/sandbox contains the test cases.

Any suggested changes will break one or more testcases.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
(In reply to comment bug:39617#27)
 The Tidy bug is what caused hlists to work in the first place, according to
 what you're saying :)

Why is that even considered a bug? list items are block level elements, and as
such, should be on their own line per unwritten code style conventions.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #11)
 (In reply to bug 39617 comment #27)
  The Tidy bug is what caused hlists to work in the first place, according to
  what you're saying :)
 
 Why is that even considered a bug? list items are block level elements, and
 as such, should be on their own line per unwritten code style conventions.

Tidy's overzealous newline insertion has caused problems in the past already,
see bug 260 (which is still open only because of the same Tidy issue) and bug
38800 (which is basically what Gabriel reported).

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org ---
Just to guide the discussion, let's try to keep this bug concentrated on the
parsertest regressions in Parsoid and other extensions, and possible fixes for
that.  Discussion of the hlist issue and the CSS fix (or lack thereof) goes
over on bug 39617.

Since most of the discussion has already happened on bug 39617, I'd say that,
if in doubt, let's continue the discussion there.  I'm just trying to prevent
the discussion from being scattered across gerrit and a bunch of different
bugzilla items, and people's good points being lost in the shuffle. (In
particular, I'm going to copy comment 10 over to bug 39617.)

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl ---
That is a scoping problem; Tidy should simply not touch anything that comes out
of GeSHi (pre  code). This is simply two external extentions clashing.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org changed:

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 Status|NEW |PATCH_TO_REVIEW

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #1 from Gerrit Notification Bot gerritad...@wikimedia.org ---
Change 94443 had a related patch set uploaded by Cscott:
Revert Have list items occupy their own line

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94443

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39617#c18 demonstrates a css
fix. Related comment is
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39617#c17

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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   Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |gwi...@wikimedia.org
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Product|MediaWiki   |Parsoid

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com ---
Why does this cause dirty diffs? Can I get a link to such diff?

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56809

--- Comment #4 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
Matma(In reply to comment #3)
 Why does this cause dirty diffs? Can I get a link to such diff?

See the gerrit patch cscott linked to in the bug description
(https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56809#c0)

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56809

--- Comment #5 from Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com ---
I've already seen the patch and sadly it is not telling me anything. What does
a dirty diff mean here? A dirty diff during after editing a page with
VisualEditor? Because that's the only significant definition I know.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56809

--- Comment #6 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
Also, see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/93626/ where I started messing
with Parsoid to prevent these dirty diffs, but it seems a lot more pain than
worth it currently -- it is mostly a distraction from other critical issues
that I just left it in WIP stage. This wont be an issue in production
necessarily right now, but if the CSS fix is not employed, then Parsoid will
also have to emit the same kind of HTML that the core php parser emits and then
this could be an issue in production with occasional dirty diffs without this
WIP patch being worked out to completion. So, seems like a lot of pain for
unclear benefit.

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[Bug 56809] Newlines after /li cause dirty diffs with Parsoid

2013-11-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56809

--- Comment #7 from ssas...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 I've already seen the patch and sadly it is not telling me anything. What
 does
 a dirty diff mean here? A dirty diff during after editing a page with
 VisualEditor? Because that's the only significant definition I know.

Parsoid is failing the parser tests in html2wt and html2html mode since the
same parser tests are used by core and Parsoid. I blacklisted the failures for
now. But this blacklisting is not ideal since we have to be a bit more careful
about failures in the future when inspecting changes.

That aside, if VE and Parsoid emits the same HTML that the core parser does for
lists (emitting newlines around ul tags), then we have to deal with it.

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