[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2014-01-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org changed:

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   Priority|Unprioritized   |Low

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

--- Comment #8 from dacu...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 Why would we want to upload epub or djvu text files (independent of their
 scans) back to Commons?  I don't see the point.

This discussion is not about uploading epub files to Commons, but about adding
epub/djvu viewing capabilities to the Media Viewer.

The epub files would be generated dinamically as they are now (or cached if
there are no changes), but the user would be able to read them online (instead
of downloading them and using an external viewer).

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #8)
 (In reply to comment #5)
  Why would we want to upload epub or djvu text files (independent of their
  scans) back to Commons?  I don't see the point.
 
 This discussion is not about uploading epub files to Commons, but about
 adding
 epub/djvu viewing capabilities to the Media Viewer.
 
 The epub files would be generated dinamically as they are now (or cached if
 there are no changes), but the user would be able to read them online
 (instead
 of downloading them and using an external viewer).

Comment 0 is just about uploaded paged formats. 
Triggering mediaviewer on dynamically generated files for download seems like
it would be an entirely separate can of worms

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

--- Comment #1 from dacu...@gmail.com ---
According to Fabrice Florin, it is possible that community developers can
implement special handlers for showing complex formats like djvu or epub in
Media Viewer, using hooks or plugins to be provided next year.

This would open the possibility to have an integrated djvu or epub reader
directly into the Media Viewer. See recent epub.js 
http://fchasen.github.io/epub.js/

And an example: http://book.23rdcenturyromance.com/

ePub files are currently not stored in Commons, but they are generated in
Wikisource. A new epub export extension could have in cache the generated ePub
files, and this could be served to the Media Viewer in Wikipedia or Wikisource.

An author page in Wikipedia/Wikisource could have a media gallery of books
pulled from Wikidata (edition items by author in current language). On clicking
on the cover it would display the epub or djvu version, whatever is available.
From this point it should be possible to invite readers to transcribe the book
in Wikisource if the book is only available as djvu.

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

dacu...@gmail.com changed:

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #1)
 According to Fabrice Florin, it is possible that community developers can
 implement special handlers for showing complex formats like djvu or epub in
 Media Viewer, using hooks or plugins to be provided next year.

That seems like an odd approach to take. Code to view special media formats
should live in those formats respective MediaHandler extensions.

(In reply to comment #0)
 Books and other paged media can be uploaded as DjVu files [1] (and maybe in
 the
 future as ePUB, although that is currently not supported for security
 reasons -
 bug 17858); it would be nice if MultimediaViewer could display such files.
 
 [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:DjVu

Don't forget PDF :)

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

--- Comment #3 from Tisza Gergő gti...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 That seems like an odd approach to take. Code to view special media formats
 should live in those formats respective MediaHandler extensions.

David probably meant the javascript code to customize MediaViewer for certain
formats; paged media requires a slightly different UI from images, and other
formats might need even more customization (3D stuff, for example).

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

--- Comment #4 from Tpt thoma...@hotmail.fr ---
I believe that it's MultimediaViewer that should contains a generic viewer for
paged media (like djvu, pdf and paged tiff) because it's a generic kind of
medias that have an implementation in MediaWiki core. Then specific tweaks for
given media types support should be done in the MediaHandler extensions (except
for DjVu that is a format supported by MediaWiki core)

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com ---
Why would we want to upload epub or djvu text files (independent of their
scans) back to Commons?  I don't see the point.

Half of the benefit of dynamic production of epub files is that they will be
quick and easy to do, and will always be of the most recent update of the
proofread process. If we have epubs at Commons they will then have to be
version controlled to a proofread status.  If we need access to epub at
Commons, it would seem wiser to have a dynamic process to take generate the
respective WS work.

If we are talking djvu, then we are talking image and text, as there is no
point without find 'in situ'.

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

--- Comment #6 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #4)
 I believe that it's MultimediaViewer that should contains a generic viewer
 for
 paged media (like djvu, pdf and paged tiff) because it's a generic kind of
 medias that have an implementation in MediaWiki core. Then specific tweaks
 for
 given media types support should be done in the MediaHandler extensions
 (except
 for DjVu that is a format supported by MediaWiki core)

Yes I agree for paged media - other things like video might more appropriately
live in TMH possibly, etc. I was more trying to emphasize that it should be
part of either core or an extension. It should *not* be some hack in a local
MediaWiki:Common.js

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[Bug 58033] Integrate book reader into MultimediaViewer

2013-12-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58033

--- Comment #7 from billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 
 If we are talking djvu, then we are talking image and text, as there is no
 point without find 'in situ'.

To clarify that I am talking about the finding text in relation to its position
in the text, which is getting to the right page and then locating the text —
the 2-D position awareness.

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