[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 --- Comment #27 from badon fastgoldf...@gmail.com --- If a new report gets opened, please post a link to it here. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Nischay Nahata nischay...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||nischay...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 --- Comment #28 from Yaron Koren yaro...@gmail.com --- Quim - yes, of course. I wasn't trying to make a larger point, just correcting an error. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 --- Comment #26 from Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org --- Let's recap: (In reply to comment #0) What about include SMW in the core system ? No, as discuussed at length. How about its installation on official wikipedia projects ? No as a rule, also as discussed at length. Hence WONTFIX is an apprpriate resolution. (In reply to comment #25) All of that is mostly true, although, just to clarify, there are a few other Wikimedia wikis where it might make sense to use SMW directly - the most notable, in my opinion, is mediawiki.org. (That counts, right?) Yes, mediawiki.org counts. But this specific case is far from the generic request of this report opened 6 years ago. Even in that case the first thing would be to define a problem or an enhancement, and then perhaps propose SMW as a solution. Requesting the installation of an extension in mediawiki.org before defining a need for it most probably won't work. If you want to go ahead with this please do it in a new report instead of reopening this one. Thank you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||q...@wikimedia.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|patch-need-review | CC||dereck...@espace-win.org Component|General/Unknown |Extension setup --- Comment #21 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org --- See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment for information on what is needed to get an extension reviewed before potentially deploying it on a wikisite. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||31235 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 --- Comment #22 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #20) Right, that's what WikiData is for. SMW could work on the smaller projects though. From what little I know of WikiData, it should be straightforward to convert mundane SMW usage into WikiData usage if in the future those smaller projects aren't so small anymore. In general, I suspect that externalizing the semantic data processing load like WikiData is doing is probably the only way to approach the scaling problem. I'd have to study it more to be sure of that, but I'm guessing SMW's poor scaling will still bog down Moore's law in most use cases. Then again, maybe it's possible to externalize SMW itself, but that's useless observer speculation for now. I know Mozilla uses SMW, and if it's working for them, there's a good chance There was a fork of wikinews called openglobe. It was tiny compared to wikinews. It tried to use smw but performance was not acceptable (from a user perspective. It was always turned on but it was too slow to be useful) granted that could have been due to issues with how smw was set up, but nonetheless is not a good sign. something like WikiNews can use it too. I'm not sure how big Mozilla's usage of SMW is compared to WikiNews, but my impression is that WikiNews is tiny. It's definitely tiny compared to Wikipedia. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Jodi Schneider jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com --- Comment #23 from Jodi Schneider jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com --- There was a fork of wikinews called openglobe. It was tiny compared to wikinews. It tried to use smw but performance was not acceptable (from a user perspective. It was always turned on but it was too slow to be useful) granted that could have been due to issues with how smw was set up, but nonetheless is not a good sign. Sounds to me like issues with the setup. Offhand a few SMW instances I've used, which do have good performance: http://acawiki.org/ http://www.discoursedb.org/ The wiki of the month list gives a good idea of capabilities: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_of_the_Month -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Chad H. innocentkil...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED CC||innocentkil...@gmail.com Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #24 from Chad H. innocentkil...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #14) Hi! What is the situation of this? Would it be feasible to install SMW on Wikimedia projects? I don't think this has ever changed. SMW isn't going to be installed on Wikimedia project wikis. Labsconsole is a notable exception that uses SMW. Wikidata is largely going to accomplish a lot of what people have been wanting SMW for over the years (and feature requests for that go elsewhere). Re-closing this as WONTFIX. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Yaron Koren yaro...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||yaro...@gmail.com --- Comment #25 from Yaron Koren yaro...@gmail.com --- All of that is mostly true, although, just to clarify, there are a few other Wikimedia wikis where it might make sense to use SMW directly - the most notable, in my opinion, is mediawiki.org. (That counts, right?) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 --- Comment #20 from badon fastgoldf...@gmail.com --- Right, that's what WikiData is for. SMW could work on the smaller projects though. From what little I know of WikiData, it should be straightforward to convert mundane SMW usage into WikiData usage if in the future those smaller projects aren't so small anymore. In general, I suspect that externalizing the semantic data processing load like WikiData is doing is probably the only way to approach the scaling problem. I'd have to study it more to be sure of that, but I'm guessing SMW's poor scaling will still bog down Moore's law in most use cases. Then again, maybe it's possible to externalize SMW itself, but that's useless observer speculation for now. I know Mozilla uses SMW, and if it's working for them, there's a good chance something like WikiNews can use it too. I'm not sure how big Mozilla's usage of SMW is compared to WikiNews, but my impression is that WikiNews is tiny. It's definitely tiny compared to Wikipedia. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Matthew Bowker matthewrbowker.w...@me.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||matthewrbowker.w...@me.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 SJ sje...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sje...@yahoo.com --- Comment #18 from SJ sje...@yahoo.com --- See also bug 39843. Is SMW running on any projects on the cluster? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bawolff...@gmail.com --- Comment #19 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com --- (In reply to comment #18) See also bug 39843. Is SMW running on any projects on the cluster? SMW is running on labsconsole. I'm not familar with SMW at all, but I am very doubtful it meets the performance requirements necessary for Wikipedia -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 badon fastgoldf...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||fastgoldf...@gmail.com --- Comment #17 from badon fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2012-04-20 18:58:44 UTC --- Wikinews might have a need to use this. It would greatly help with the handling of news articles in a structured, queriable manner that goes far beyond the limitations of what categories can do. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 mybugs.m...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||need-review -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Sam Reed (reedy) s...@reedyboy.net changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||25410 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||j...@rejon.org --- Comment #16 from Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org 2011-04-16 20:47:03 UTC --- Hi, we are very interested in using SMW. Our project Acawiki uses this, and we are working to get it added. The other option is if there is a better performing extension which WMF prefers. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|shell | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 mybugs.m...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|LATER | --- Comment #15 from mybugs.m...@gmail.com 2011-03-23 04:12:56 UTC --- (In reply to comment #14) Hi! What is the situation of this? Would it be feasible to install SMW on Wikimedia projects? Any updates? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 8390] Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390 mybugs.m...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mybugs.m...@gmail.com --- Comment #14 from mybugs.m...@gmail.com 2011-02-10 21:59:34 UTC --- Hi! What is the situation of this? Would it be feasible to install SMW on Wikimedia projects? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
