Re: [Wikidata] wikiconvention & wikidata: thanks and a bug report

2016-08-21 Thread Tobias Schönberg 
Hi Loic!

That is of course unfortunate that it didn't work as planned. Maybe if we
can get more people signed up for Wikiprojects it would make it easier to
get more specialised sessions organised. Or even plan separate events.
Especially for free software it might also make sense to have a workshop
and booth at open source conferences. The data from Wikidata could be very
useful for example to the freedesktop initiative, so there would be a lot
of synergies.

-tobias

Am 21.08.2016 7:07 nachm. schrieb "Loic Dachary" :

> Hi,
>
> A short mail to report a bug in the organization of the wikidata workshop
> held today during the wikiconvention in Paris[1]. Weeks in advance I
> convinced a few people to attend so that we can work on our topic of
> interest: Software and Free Software in particular[2]. There is no better
> context than being surrounded by seasoned wikidata contributors to improve
> and contribute at the same time. The description was appealing:
>
> "After a one hour training, we will create groups according to the desire
> of the participants: contribute, discover and install useful gadgets..."
>
> When the audience was asked for their preferences, I raised my hand and
> happily declared "Contributing to the Software and FLOSS projects !". Much
> to my surprise this was quickly dismissed: "we're only going to learn about
> tools, we create groups to use and learn about tools, not to work on a
> specific project". My interest for the Software project is known to both
> Harmonia Amanda and Ash_Crow, to the extent that I discussed with them my
> intent to recruit people to participate in the workshop for that particular
> topic[3], well in advance. The focus of our interest was also made clear in
> the participant list[4].
>
> Of course the rebuttal was not enough to discourage us from contributing
> to wikidata :-) We found another room and did useful work together, just
> without the pleasure of being part of the group.
>
> When facing such a minor disappointment, I suppose there is not much cause
> for concern. But I thought it would be useful to report what appears to be
> a glitch in the organization so that it can be fixed. This is not a
> pleasant thing to write or read, but what would be life without a few
> mistakes ?
>
> In conclusion I would like to thank everyone for a wonderful first
> experience, specially Harmonia Amanda and Ash_Crow who do a tremendous work
> with wikidata.
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_
> francophone/2016/Programme/Atelier_de_formation_%C3%A0_Wikidata
> [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_
> Informatics/Software https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_
> Informatics/FLOSS
> [3] 15 july 2016  Ash_Crow: pour https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2016/Programme/
> Atelier_de_formation_%C3%A0_Wikidata nous serons au moins trois avec pour
> centre d'intérêt https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_
> Informatics/FLOSS et https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_
> Informatics/Software . J'espère convaincre deux autres personnes mais
> c'est pas gagné ... l'attrait des vacances...
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_
> francophone/2016/Programme/Atelier_de_formation_%C3%A0_
> Wikidata#Participants_int.C3.A9ress.C3.A9s_.28inscrivez-
> vous_ci-dessous_et_posez_d.C3.A8s_.C3.A0_pr.C3.A9sent_vos_
> questions_.C3.A0_l.27organisateur_de_la_session.29
> --
> Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T72763: Create a Wikibase glossary

2016-08-21 Thread Danwe 
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@Lydia_Pintscher Please elaborate on why this got closed as declined. @Snaterlicious' glossary seems like a good initial effort to this task. So why not build on top of this and commit to cleaning up the mess we've gotten into by not drawing a clear line between Wikidata and the Wikibase software it is based on?

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[Wikidata] wikiconvention & wikidata: thanks and a bug report

2016-08-21 Thread Loic Dachary 
Hi,

A short mail to report a bug in the organization of the wikidata workshop held 
today during the wikiconvention in Paris[1]. Weeks in advance I convinced a few 
people to attend so that we can work on our topic of interest: Software and 
Free Software in particular[2]. There is no better context than being 
surrounded by seasoned wikidata contributors to improve and contribute at the 
same time. The description was appealing:

"After a one hour training, we will create groups according to the desire of 
the participants: contribute, discover and install useful gadgets..."

When the audience was asked for their preferences, I raised my hand and happily 
declared "Contributing to the Software and FLOSS projects !". Much to my 
surprise this was quickly dismissed: "we're only going to learn about tools, we 
create groups to use and learn about tools, not to work on a specific project". 
My interest for the Software project is known to both Harmonia Amanda and 
Ash_Crow, to the extent that I discussed with them my intent to recruit people 
to participate in the workshop for that particular topic[3], well in advance. 
The focus of our interest was also made clear in the participant list[4].

Of course the rebuttal was not enough to discourage us from contributing to 
wikidata :-) We found another room and did useful work together, just without 
the pleasure of being part of the group.

When facing such a minor disappointment, I suppose there is not much cause for 
concern. But I thought it would be useful to report what appears to be a glitch 
in the organization so that it can be fixed. This is not a pleasant thing to 
write or read, but what would be life without a few mistakes ?

In conclusion I would like to thank everyone for a wonderful first experience, 
specially Harmonia Amanda and Ash_Crow who do a tremendous work with wikidata.

Cheers

[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2016/Programme/Atelier_de_formation_%C3%A0_Wikidata
[2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/Software 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/FLOSS
[3] 15 july 2016  Ash_Crow: pour 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2016/Programme/Atelier_de_formation_%C3%A0_Wikidata
 nous serons au moins trois avec pour centre d'intérêt 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/FLOSS et 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/Software . 
J'espère convaincre deux autres personnes mais c'est pas gagné ... l'attrait 
des vacances...
[4] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2016/Programme/Atelier_de_formation_%C3%A0_Wikidata#Participants_int.C3.A9ress.C3.A9s_.28inscrivez-vous_ci-dessous_et_posez_d.C3.A8s_.C3.A0_pr.C3.A9sent_vos_questions_.C3.A0_l.27organisateur_de_la_session.29
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T142955: Track number of article placeholder clicks from search results

2016-08-21 Thread Addshore 
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So something like this looks pretty solid.

SELECT * from wmf.webrequest
WHERE year = 2016
AND month = 08
AND day = 20
AND webrequest_source = 'text'
AND x_analytics_map["ns"] = '-1'
AND x_analytics_map["special"] = 'AboutTopic'
AND normalized_host.project_class = 'wikipedia'
AND referer rlike '^.*search=.*$'
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T143515: Wikidata should automatically complete symmetrical data

2016-08-21 Thread Esc3300 
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Currently this is done by bot/QuickStatements.

Sample list of queries: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Yamaha5/List_of_missingpairs_querysTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143515EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Esc3300Cc: Esc3300, abian, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T121978: Label of Wikidata item is not changed by rename of the source article

2016-08-21 Thread Esc3300 
Esc3300 removed a parent task: T143486: [feature request]  remove sitelinks / update sitelinks  on Wikidata when pages are deleted/moved on client wikis (all users).
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T143486: [feature request] remove sitelinks / update sitelinks on Wikidata when pages are deleted/moved on client wikis (all users)

2016-08-21 Thread Esc3300 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T143515: Wikidata should automatically complete symmetrical data

2016-08-21 Thread abian 
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EDIT DETAILSWhen a user U, on the page for the QA item, adds/modifies/removes a statement with a necessarily symmetrical property P..TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143515EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: abianCc: abian, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T143515: Wikidata should automatically complete symmetrical data

2016-08-21 Thread abian 
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EDIT DETAILS.. its symmetrical statement (QB  QA) should be automatically added/modified/removed in the same way by Wikidata on the page for the QB item, and this/these edit(s) should be also attributed to U.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143515EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: abianCc: abian, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T143515: Wikidata should automatically complete symmetrical data

2016-08-21 Thread abian 
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TASK DESCRIPTIONWhen a user U, on the page for the QA item, adds/modifies/removes a statement with a symmetrical property P...

QA  QB

... its symmetrical statement (QB  QA) should be automatically added/modified/removed in the same way by Wikidata on the page for the QB item, and this/these edit(s) be also attributed to U.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143515EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: abianCc: abian, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T141525: Wikidata Special:EntityData not being filled with new data

2016-08-21 Thread Addshore 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T141859: [Task] Contemporary Constraint check

2016-08-21 Thread abian 
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EDIT DETAILS... )
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I would be great that the set of "properties of start" and the set of "properties of end" could be modified somehow over time.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141859EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: abianCc: Wikibase-Quality-Constraints, abian, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T138708: [Epic] Signed statements

2016-08-21 Thread abian 
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I find better to sign references, and not statements. The idea would be to say "I've checked out this reference and I ensure that this reference is real and consistent with these data", as Wikidata is a secondary database. We could continue signing references like "stated in" (P248). If the value or the reference changes, the signature should automatically disappear (but, in case of a reverted vandalism, the signature should also appear again).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138708EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: abianCc: abian, Scott_WUaS, johl, jayvdb, tfmorris, Spinster, TomT0m, Denny, Eloquence, JanZerebecki, T.seppelt, Aklapper, daniel, Zppix, Lydia_Pintscher, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, TheDJ, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T115267: [Bug] Text field doesn't always load when trying to add a statement

2016-08-21 Thread abian 
abian added a comment.
The following issue can be faithfully reproduced by now for any item.

Scope


uselang: Spanish (es)
page: any Wikidata item (no matter which one)


Steps


Click on "add reference" (no matter if it's for an existing statement or for a statement that you're creating).
Write "url". "dirección web (URL)" (P854) will be shown as the second suggestion.
Click on "dirección web (URL)". The text field for writing the value will never appear.


Alternative steps


On 5, write "dirección web" instead of "url". The text field will appear as expected.
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