Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Peter Haase]

Hi Timothy,

> On 9. Jul 2017, at 08:53, Timothy Holborn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Awesome.  Yes.  this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage.  I 
> couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet. 

WordNet RDF supports content negotiation:
curl -H "Accept: application/n-triples" 
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" 
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n

There is also a download link for the entire data set from 
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu to http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31.nt.gz

Cheers,
Peter


> FWIW: i find this useful http://osds.openlinksw.com/ 
> 
> Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what exists in 
> Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone. 
> 
> thank you.  i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) 
> 
> Tim. 
> 
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase  wrote:
> Hi Timothy,
> 
> have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
> http://wordnet.princeton.edu
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu
> 
> Here is your example “identity”:
> http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
>> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and 
>> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or 
>> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found 
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to 
>> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than 
>> simply the use of RDF for SEO).
>> 
>> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
>> 
>> Project Purpose
>> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of 
>> ontological reuse on the web.
>> 
>> PROBLEM
>> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered 
>> meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine 
>> readable. 
>> 
>> For Example:  "identity".
>> 
>> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the 
>> meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to 
>> interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER, identity 
>> can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as 
>> website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' 
>> that is to say, they're all consumers.  
>> 
>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity 
>> 
>> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided 
>> to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity 
>> 
>> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be 
>> made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.  
>> 
>> SOLUTION
>> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It makes 
>> sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. 
>> 
>> FEATURES
>> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english 
>> language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding 
>> latin predicates.
>> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique 
>> identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension 
>> of the differentiation in the use of that term).
>> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number 
>> of serialisations.
>> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.
>> 
>> PRODUCTION METHOD
>> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest 
>> existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the 
>> system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, 
>> edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. 
>> 
>> USES
>> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further 
>> clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are 
>> communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding 
>> of the meaning provided to the language used.
>> 
>> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards 
>> the concept of schema.org/thing  rather than a 'language' or other form of 
>> predicate. Please let me know your thoughts

Re: [Wikidata] RDF Dictionary / Thesaurus

[Peter Haase]

Hi Timothy,

have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version?
http://wordnet.princeton.edu
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu

Here is your example “identity”:
http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n 


Cheers,
Peter

> On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and 
> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or 
> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found 
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page 
>  but it didn't seem to 
> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than 
> simply the use of RDF for SEO).
> 
> thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to,
> 
> Project Purpose
> To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of 
> ontological reuse on the web.
> 
> PROBLEM
> We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered 
> meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine 
> readable. 
> 
> For Example:  "identity".
> 
> When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the 
> meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to 
> interact with their personal data; or that of others.   HOWEVER, identity can 
> also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as 
> website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' 
> that is to say, they're all consumers.  
> 
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity 
>  
> 
> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided 
> to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity 
>  
> 
> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made 
> via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.  
> 
> SOLUTION
> Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable.  It makes 
> sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. 
> 
> FEATURES
> - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language 
> and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin 
> predicates.
> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique 
> identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension 
> of the differentiation in the use of that term).
> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number 
> of serialisations.
> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site.
> 
> PRODUCTION METHOD
> It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest 
> existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the 
> system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, 
> edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. 
> 
> USES
> For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further 
> clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are 
> communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of 
> the meaning provided to the language used.
> 
> I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards 
> the concept of schema.org/thing   rather than a 
> 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts?  
> Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already?  Perhaps 
> people have been thinking about it elsewhere?  perhaps barriers exist, that 
> i'm not aware of...  
> 
> Timothy Holborn.
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Re: [Wikidata] SPARQL CONSTRUCT results truncated

[Peter Haase]

Hi,

you may want to check out the Linked Data Fragment server in Blazegraph:
https://github.com/blazegraph/BlazegraphBasedTPFServer

Cheers,
Peter
> On 13.02.2016, at 01:33, Stas Malyshev  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
>> The Linked data fragments approach Osma mentioned is very interesting
>> (particularly the bit about setting it up on top of an regularily
>> updated existing endpoint), and could provide another alternative,
>> but I have not yet experimented with it.
> 
> There is apparently this: https://github.com/CristianCantoro/wikidataldf
> though not sure what it its status - I just found it.
> 
> In general, yes, I think checking out LDF may be a good idea. I'll put
> it on my todo list.
> 
> -- 
> Stas Malyshev
> smalys...@wikimedia.org
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