[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T199016: Count structured data uploads and edits by volunteer-built tools
Abit created this task.Abit added projects: Product-Analytics, Structured-Data-Commons, Multimedia.Herald added a project: Wikidata. TASK DESCRIPTIONWe would like to know how many structured data uploads and edits come from key Commons tools. (For this purpose let's define structured data uploads and edits as uploads and edits of media on Commons and uploads and edits to structured data fields that appear on the file page, including statements, captions, and descriptions. Some of these statements reside in Wikidata.) Example key Commons tools: Pattypan, Open Refine, Quick Statements, Monumental.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T199016EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: mpopov, AbitCc: Ramsey-WMF, Abit, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, V4switch, LawExplorer, Susannaanas, Wong128hk, Aschroet, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Matanya, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T197666: OAuth extension not working in Mediawiki
despens added a comment. After adding wfLoadExtension( 'OAuth' ); and $wgSecretKey = ""; to LocalSettings.php, the special page https://staging.catalog.rhizome.org/wiki/Special:OAuth/initiate returns another error: A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. [4c8f6a094aeb89788c334f87] 2018-07-07 18:43:41: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" Retrieved from "https://staging.catalog.rhizome.org/wiki/Special:OAuth/initiate" It would be helpful if the extensions that are part of the docker distribution would be documented in the LocalSettings.php.templater file so when providing a custom one it would be clear what settings it needs to contain. I am at a loss what the database query issue might be. Since I did migrate the database from my legacy Wikibase install (and ran the updater script), I wonder if the updater script is incomplete.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T197666EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: despensCc: Aklapper, Addshore, Tarrow, despens, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Gstupp, LawExplorer, Abbe98, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback
Lydia_Pintscher added a parent task: T91505: [Epic] Adding new datatypes to Wikidata (tracking). TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198233EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lydia_PintscherCc: Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Jc86035, Mahir256, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T91505: [Epic] Adding new datatypes to Wikidata (tracking)
Lydia_Pintscher added a subtask: T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback. TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91505EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lydia_PintscherCc: Malore, PokestarFan, Swpb, ArthurPSmith, gerritbot, Smalyshev, Shrutika719, MGChecker, Sannita, Ricordisamoa, Liuxinyu970226, Rits, Physikerwelt, Lydia_Pintscher, Aklapper, Lahi, Himanshuc3, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, srishakatux, LawExplorer, Pahadiahimanshu, Manrajsinghgrover, Keer25, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. Thanks for filing the ticket! From my side: in general fine and if we want a new datatype for it then this could be a nice student project for example. Open question: Do we want this to be on Wikidata as statements? Or on Commons to link to it? The drawback I can see for having it on Wikidata as statements would be length and licensing limitations that might not be great for this type of content. Thoughts?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198233EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Lydia_PintscherCc: Lydia_Pintscher, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Jc86035, Mahir256, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback
Mahir256 added subscribers: Ebe123, tstarling.Mahir256 added a comment. @Lydia_Pintscher (See the larger of the excerpts from my proposal on Wikidata:Project chat that Jc86035 included in the task description.) We initially stored population data as individual values on an item, but later began storing it as links to Commons tabular data (properties 1082 and 4179 respectively). We also store isolated mathematical expressions, not full derivations or proofs, as LaTeX snippets, and it would not surprise me if someone came around and proposed a property for links to derivations and proofs hosted on Commons (whether as raw LaTeX or otherwise). It would therefore make sense to initially store as statements musical snippets that fit in the 400-character limit for strings, and then later once a MuseScore extension for MediaWiki comes to fruition (or if Extension:Score is significantly revamped) link to full sheet music on Commons. The specific examples on the property proposal that Jc86035 created should not cause copyright problems, and I personally would not have a problem if we need to restrict such a property's use on items for copyrighted music. @Jc86035 Regarding the points in your excerpt from the survey back in November/December: There is at least one graphical editor of LilyPond music; I am not certain whether this can or should be made into an extension. The extension has not been updated in a while, but at least @Ebe123 is around if we have more questions about it. SVG output is certainly possible with LilyPond; it requires an extra flag but I am not entirely sure what else may be needed for proper rendering. SVG output might solve the resizing and alignment issues, though I am also not entirely sure what else may be needed for this as well. Wouldn't the problem of unplayable instruments come down to a need for better soundfonts (either for Fluidsynth or TiMidity++)? It would certainly help to know what soundfonts are used at present. Also @tstarling who may be able to answer more of the concerns presented in this task.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198233EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mahir256Cc: tstarling, Ebe123, Lydia_Pintscher, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Jc86035, Mahir256, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T144103: Create .nt (NTriples) dumps for wikidata data
Smalyshev added a project: User-Smalyshev. TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144103EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SmalyshevCc: Lydia_Pintscher, thalhamm, Hydriz, Lokal_Profil, Sylvain_WMFr, ArielGlenn, Jonas, hoo, aude, daniel, -jem-, Aklapper, Smalyshev, Lahi, Gq86, Darkminds3113, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, EBjune, merbst, LawExplorer, Avner, Gehel, FloNight, Xmlizer, jkroll, Wikidata-bugs, Jdouglas, Tobias1984, Manybubbles, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback
Ebe123 added a comment.
Sorry, I was not aware of this task until I got pinged.
Few corrections:
@Jc86035: We do have the most recent stable version of LilyPond; they haven't had such a release in 5 years... I do not think you are being fair to the progress that is being done in the extension, especially that your comment was made when I was beginning to become more active in this extension. We are working on fixing the issues that you pointed out, with these tasks for the points you bring up: T49578: Score should output SVG, T143500: Add all instruments to Extension:Score (please provide an example if its still broken), and T49528: Create a VisualEditor plugin tool to add/edit musical scores. Check the work-board to see what we have planned :)
I understand the frustration of not having a proper GUI for writing LilyPond, and the task is daunting. I am inclined to agree for the case to render MusicXML (of which the ability to do so is tracked with T183642: Support MusicXML to Lilypond Conversion). I am not in favour of having a whole new extension based on MuseScore, which does have its share of format (.mscx/z) problems. That format is very fragile, and does not feature the scope of what is possible through LilyPond, which has broad support for all kinds of notation that MuseScore struggles with. Your assessment that LilyPond is "indisputably inferior" is false.
Other remedies included OMR (not natively available in MuseScore BTW), which is good; however, there is no open-source (or probably even closed-source) application that does it well enough to be useful in my view. MIDI is very hairy because it is not really a representation of sheet music; it can just be converted (somewhat) into that form.
For use in Wikidata, to get around this size limitation, we can use the extension in the way it is mostly used on Wikipedia: display notable snippets/motifs of a piece. My counter-proposal is rather than storing something like the whole score of //The Planets//, we can store the motifs (and it's not limited to one:
\relative c { \clef bass \time 5/4 \key c \major \tempo "Allegro" \tuplet 3/2 { g8_\markup { \dynamic p \italic "col ligno" } g g } g4 g g8 g g4 \bar ":|]" }
The parallels drawn between \TeX and LilyPond are quite accurate, and @Mahir256's proposal seems to be echoing my sentiment. I apologise for the lack of updates, but we're waiting for the next release of LilyPond for SVG output (had to make changes upstream; it was not as simple as an extra flag sadly) and the extension does need quite a lot done, though time is not available. :)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198233EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Ebe123Cc: tstarling, Ebe123, Lydia_Pintscher, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Jc86035, Mahir256, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback
Ebe123 added a project: MediaWiki-extensions-Score.Ebe123 updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...There is already an Extension:Score (#mediawiki-extensions-score) for LilyPond, which does rendering and some audio output, ~~but it doesn't seem to have an updated version of LilyPond~~. Scores using this LilyPond datatype would also probably be limited to four hundred characters. Longer scores in the public domain would have to use some other solution, although this may be desired. [[ https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat&oldid=702741862#Proposal_for_a_musical_notation_datatype_for_properties | Quoting ]] @Mahir256:...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198233EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Ebe123Cc: tstarling, Ebe123, Lydia_Pintscher, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Jc86035, Mahir256, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T198233: Create musical notation datatype(s), with rendering and maybe playback
Jc86035 added a comment. @Ebe123: We do have the most recent stable version of LilyPond; they haven't had such a release in 5 years... Oh, I actually didn't realize that when I was writing up the wishlist proposal. Sorry about that. I thought it had been updated at some point, possibly because it had been a while since I had downloaded and used LilyPond as an application, and it was updated during the time that I used it. indisputably inferior Yes, this is quite unfair in retrospect. I did have to remove some things attributable to incorrect memory from the wishlist proposal after I'd posted it, because I had essentially put everything I could think of in there to make it sort of actually have a chance to be worked on by Community Tech (although I'm not sure if that would actually have helped in the end). I think part of the problem was that I was comparing the LilyPond features available in Extension:Score directly to both the MuseScore desktop application and the MuseScore closed-source online player. It's also because I was frustrated with trying to add snippets into articles; on w:en:Double bass, I think it took me about an hour to figure out that the paper size had to be changed to resize the image, and I had to set the instrument to something else because the audio was coming out as piano. I still think it should be possible, at some point, to be able to link to full scores in their original source format; it would be nice to at least support hosting .mscz/x and/or .ly files on Commons. (Is it common for full scores to be written with LilyPond? I must admit I wasn't actually aware that people would transcribe orchestral scores in LilyPond.)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198233EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Jc86035Cc: tstarling, Ebe123, Lydia_Pintscher, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Jc86035, Mahir256, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
