[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T235225: Wikidata: when adding a gloss, the cursor focus does not go to the right field
Denny added a comment. In Chrome. But it does not happen on the first gloss (since Remove is grayed out on the first gloss), only on the second and other additional glosses. The part with the "Remove" is kinda OK. I would prefer it would jump to Remove only if I left the gloss field empty, otherwise jump to Add directly, but really, that's a minor problem compared to the second problem. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235225 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, Denny, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Mringgaard, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Darkdadaah, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T235225: Wikidata: when adding a gloss, the cursor focus does not go to the right field
Denny created this task. Denny added projects: Wikidata, Lexicographical data. TASK DESCRIPTION When creating a Sense in a Lexeme, I choose the language, tab to the field, enter the gloss, tab to Remove (which should preferably tab to Add instead), tab again to Add, press return, it adds a new line, but then instead of being focused on the language field in the new line, I am still focused on the Add field. If I tab, I tab over to Publish. So, after choosing "Add", the focus should be on the Language field. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235225 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Denny, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Mringgaard, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Darkdadaah, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T233763: Searching Lexeme:Danke on Wikidata breaks it
Denny added a comment. Oh, wow, it also happens for Lexeme:thanks I am super curious what is happening here! TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233763 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Aklapper, Denny, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T233763: Searching Lexeme:Danke on Wikidata breaks it
Denny created this task. Denny added a project: Wikidata. Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. TASK DESCRIPTION When I search for Lexeme:Danke from the Search box in Wikidata (upper right corner) I get the message [XYqWIwpAADoAAJk2AOEAAABL] 2019-09-24 22:18:11: Fatal exception of type "Error" The time and the code in the beginning change from request to request. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233763 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Aklapper, Denny, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Daimona ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T232356: QIDs are hard to select on mobile in Wikidata
Denny added a comment. I tried Lucas suggestion, and it solves the reason for the bug. When there are two actions, it still works fine (but their relative positioning of the action icons changes slightly - they squeeze together). Functionality wise, his suggested fix works. Here's a screenshot of with and without Lucas Fix: Without Lucas' Fix: F30293086: lucas_fix_without.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F30293086> With Lucas' Fix: F30293102: lucas_fix_with.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F30293102> TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232356 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Aklapper, Denny, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, B20180, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Lydia_Pintscher, Addshore, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T232356: QIDs are hard to select on mobile in Wikidata
Denny created this task. Denny added projects: Wikidata Mobile, Wikidata-Termbox, Wikidata, Mobile. Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. TASK DESCRIPTION When using Chrome on my Pixel 3a, since the new Termbox has launched (which, by the way, is awesome), it is hard or impossible to select the QID on my phone. Doubletapping on it doesn't do anything, and the best I can do is select some text around it and then remove the text again after copy and pasting, but something's off. If I'd wager an uninformed guess, I would say that the QID element is somehow masked by some other element. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232356 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Aklapper, Denny, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Lydia_Pintscher, Addshore, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T201000: Show Gloss in entity selector when entering Sense as a value in a statement
Denny added a comment. That looks neat.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Denny, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, RazShuty, WMDE-leszek, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Mringgaard, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Darkdadaah, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. "what are the benefit for the Wikimedia community of using exclusively CC-0 for its single Wikibase instance usable in the rest of its environment?" This question is, I think, less suitable for a lawyer. I think this is a very interesting question, but I'd rather focus now on answering the question that is directly pertinent to this ticket. So, given the discussion as it has been going, I hope that the following questions sound good to everyone: Can you comment on the practice of having processes that in bulk extract facts from Wikipedia articles, which are published under CC-BY-SA, and store the results in Wikidata, where they are published under CC-0? Particular sets of facts we are interested in to consider would be: a) interwiki links, b) facts extracted from infobox templates, c) facts extracted from prose through natural language processing. What, if anything, may be imported from ODBL licensed databases like OSM into Wikidata, and republished under CC-0? If I don't hear back by the mid of the next week, I'm going to raise these as the questions we would kindly ask to be answered. I find the questions are already getting quite heavyweight - any ways to shorten them would be appreciated.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: ArthurPSmith, SimonPoole, Scott_WorldUnivAndSch, Micru, lisong, Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Aschmidt, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Mateusz_Konieczny I like R-OSM-1 too. I would go now for these two questions. I'd really like to have @Psychoslave chime in, as he was the one opening this bug and certainly being the most vocal on this topic, as far as I have seen, so I will leave this open for a few days to give him the opportunity to speak up.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Scott_WorldUnivAndSch, Micru, lisong, Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Rspeer My previous suggestion to @Psychoslave was P) "Can you comment on the practise of extracting data from Wikipedia articles, which are published under CC-BY-SA, and storing the results in Wikidata, where they are published under CC-0?" I guess the phrasing in that would raise the same quibble, though. So here's my new suggestion: R2) "Can you comment on the practice of having processes that in bulk extract facts from Wikipedia articles, which are published under CC-BY-SA, and store the results in Wikidata, where they are published under CC-0?" Does this sound right? I am not naming the interwiki links explicitly, as it seems they should be subsumed by that question (i.e. whatever is true for places of birth will also be true for interwiki links). If someone thinks that we should be explicitly mentioning interwiki links, I am happy to add them, for example in the following form: R3) "Can you comment on the practice of having processes that in bulk extract facts from Wikipedia articles, which are published under CC-BY-SA, and store the results in Wikidata, where they are published under CC-0? We ask in particular about interwiki links, and additionally also refer to statements stored in Wikidata for e.g. the place of birth, family relationships, etc." My preference right now is for R2, but I am happy to listen to other suggestions.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Micru, lisong, Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @MisterSynergy yes, I agree, it would seriously weaken Wikidata. Nevertheless it is good to resolve legal uncertainties as far as reasonable. Regarding Gnom1 - well, he did write the previous, official answer by Wikilegal, which is why I consider that a great offer. But I agree that we should also ask WMF Legal officially too, in particular before making grand sweeping changes. But, at least for me, if Gnom1 says "all is fine" or something similar, I won't push Wikilegal for an official answer, as I consider this done. It is still an option that others can pursue, obviously, but I won't use my volunteer time for that.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Micru, lisong, Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Micru I agree with @Cirdan that this would be a rather worrying way to deal with the situation. Also, as @Nemo_bis points out, it really couldn't be just the communities doing so. In my understanding, it would need an update to the CC license itself, which would need to be done by CC, and then have the license be adopted by the Foundation together with the community, and this only works due to the or-later-clause. But as said, I would be rather troubled by such an approach. My understanding is that the goal of this bug is to reduce the legal certainties as far as we can. As was pointed out by @EgonWillighagen only a series of court decisions will be able to resolve that 100%, but I don't think it makes sense to keep that bug open until then (if that ever happens). My current goal to shepherd this bug to a closure is to agree with people who have a different point of view on a question or two to ask Gnom1, and then work on from his answer. If, for example, it turns out that the extraction that Wikidata has done from Wikipedia is deemed breaking the license of Wikipedia, then we should indeed purge Wikidata of any data taken from such a license breach or change Wikidata's license to CC-BY-SA. I hope that seems viable to everyone involved. I am personally convinced that no license breach has happened, because the facts that have been exported to Wikidata are not covered by copyright. But, as @Rspeer pointed out correctly, my personal beliefs are not exactly relevant here. So here is my suggestion for a question to Gnom1, and I would be happy for others to refine it: "Can you comment on the legal status of interwiki links and 2) other facts, such as places of birth, be extracted from Wikipedia and be republished in Wikidata under a CC-0 license?" @Psychoslave , @Rspeer , does this sound good to you?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Micru, lisong, Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Rspeer If I link an article from the German Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia by adding an interwiki link on the German Wikipedia, and then an interwiki bot makes this link be reciprocal by adding the interwiki link on the English Wikipedia, there is no attribution to me on the English Wikipedia to my edit. The page editing history on the English Wikipedia will not have any attribution to me. There is no link at all to my edit on the German Wikipedia that would fulfill the attribution requirement. But I agree with you that the page editing history is sufficient attribution. And thus, since we never required to have the interwiki links attributed in the first place - as I just showed - we obviously do not seem to regard them as being copyrightable and covered by the CC-BY-SA license.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. I was reading the article you linked to - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6pfungsh%C3%B6he#Sch%C3%B6pfungsh%C3%B6he_seit_2013 - and nothing there lets me believe that the list of Interwikilinks would have sufficient "Schöpfungshöhe".TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Rspeer Copyright has to be about some concrete _expression_. Are you claiming that the interwiki links that used to be in Wikipedia articles until five years ago should have had copyright protection? Their concrete _expression_ was [[en:London]] [[fr:Londres]] [[hr:London]] etc. This have been, in most wikis written and maintained by bots anyway, without any reference to the originating author. So if that is the case, Wikipedia has already never been compliant with that license. But even ignoring that, Wikidata does *not* store the same _expression_ anyway. So what exactly is the copyright asserted on?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Nemo_bis : good point. I wouldn't know what a good example is, though, maybe someone else can come up with something.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Rspeer regarding the ontology: the ontology of Wikidata is genuinely unique and not copied from any Wikipedia project, or any other project. It has been created on Wikidata. Regarding the translations: we are talking about the labels of things in different languages? They are not even necessarily translations, mind you - it is often "there was an article on the German Wikipedia, here's an article on the English Wikipedia, let's connect these two". In general, most titles were not translated. Also, in many of those cases it is hard to argue for any threshold of creativity - the fact that 'London' is called 'Londres' in Frech is rather un-creative, and merely stating a fact. Also, technically, these are not translations in Wikidata, but labels of an entity in different languages. I would be surprised if the multilingual labels of the Wikidata entities would trigger copyright, but even if it did, there is nothing in the current Wikipedias that would allow for this copyright to take effect: i.e. if we look at an entry such as Q23780914 - highly visible entry, labels in 50+ languages - there never existed anything in the Wikipedias which might have been under copyright. Or am I missing something here?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Lofhi, Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Nemo_bis thanks, I agree with your point a lot. But regarding your question - just because there is a database which happens to reproducible should not trigger any right issues. To give an example: it is easy to imagine a company that sells the list of all countries and their capitals as a dataset that is easy to process and that has a guaranteed quality and support level, to other companies, under a proprietary license that does not allow the dataset to be reshared. Now just because it happens that we can reproduce that list from Wikidata with a SPARQL query should not mean that we have to act in any way. On the other side, if we had used that list to import the data - then that would in my understanding be a breach of the rights of that company. But if we did not and the result happens to be the same - well, that's how it is. If the example is too simple, it could be easily extended to be larger and more substantial. My argument would still be the same. What do you think?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Psychoslave sorry to disagree on the questions, but are we in any disagreement on these three questions? We should not allow the (significant) import of data from databases which are licensed under a license incompatible with CC-0. We should enforce that. We should document the licenses of imported databases. We should remove data that has been imported from databases which are licensed under a license incompatible with CC-0. That would be my answers. I don't expect you to disagree with that. What I think the main question is whether Wikidata's extractions from, e.g. Wikipedia and other natural language sources, actually constitute such a case. In my opinion, that is not the case. The extractions that we have, and the way the data is expressed in Wikidata, are, in my understanding, not sufficient to constitute a rights breach of Wikipedia's copyright holders. Should that be our question, whether that is the case? I would find it a shame to ask questions where we agree upon the answers, and not use the resources most effectively. So my suggestion for the question would be: Can you comment on the practise of extracting data from Wikipedia articles, which are published under CC-BY-SA, and storing the results in Wikidata, where they are published under CC-0? What do you think?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Nemo_bis, TomT0m, jrbs, EgonWillighagen, sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Gnom1 - yes, anything that you can contribute would be awesome. Unfortunately, this request here is all over the place, ranging from the question whether it is legally permissible to have a statement reference Wikipedia to the way inline images are displayed, so it might make sense to all of us to agree on a small set of questions that we want to ask. @Psychoslave, since you opened this ticket, and have obviously quite an investment in the question, do you want to come up with a small set of simple, concrete questions to ask? Or shall I try to, I'd be happy to.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: sarojdhakal, Agabi10, NMaia, Simon_Villeneuve, Jarekt, Rspeer, OhKayeSierra, Aschmidt, AndrewSu, Mateusz_Konieczny, Maxlath, Huji, Glrx, Realworldobject, Ltrlg, Papapep, Tgr, Ayack, Gnom1, MichaelMaggs, MisterSynergy, Pasleim, Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. Re Psychoslave: Having a statement in Wikidata with a reference, where the referenced work is not published under CC-0, is entirely fine in my understanding. As a comparison: Wikipedia has plenty of references, where the referenced work is not published under CC-BY-SA or a compatible license. That is also fine. Or do you consider that a problem too?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. Re Pintoch: No, I was seriously not aware that we are uploading datasets I think it is fair to say that this is not exactly an isolated case (but I am surprised that you seem (to pretend) not to know? Maybe for legal reasons?) No, no legal reasons, I really didn't know that datasets are uploaded that seem to not follow the license. I mean, why would you say explicitly "yeah, this dataset I am uploading is under CC0" when it is not? I am surprised about that. I would suggest that this discussion moves to the project chat, it shouldn't be isolated here. If you don't start it in the next day or so, I hope to get around to doing it on Wednesday.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Cirdan, 0x010C, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. The property is about adding the RNSR ID. That's fine. On the data import hub page you linked, I don't see a mention of the license. Nor on your talk page. I find this upload problematic.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Karima, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. I don't know the Open License. Given what I understand using automatic translation, the license requires attribution. So if the RNSR is a database in the sense of the Database Right directive, and if the RNSR is licensed under the Open License, and if the Open License is incompatible with CC-0, then it seems like an import to Wikidata would be incompatible. Was the import ever discussed on Wikidata?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Karima, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. @Psychoslave, I am not sure I entirely follow. You said "there are contributors of Wikidata that do make massive imports of external data banks, regardless of the corresponding terms of use." Then you refer to an email on a closed list that I cannot access in order to point out that there are some contributors who might or might not do that in the future. So it's not about things that have already be done? But you said that there already are contributors who have done it? You said that there are contributors of Wikidata that already make massive imports of external data banks. Can you provide a list of those massive imports, or at least of some examples of such? Otherwise I am not sure how this ticket could be resolved - the license of Wikidata is clear, and there seems no legal uncertainty to me.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Karima, Sylvain_WMFr, Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T193728: Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
Denny added a comment. You state that "there are contributors of Wikidata that do make massive imports of external data banks, regardless of the corresponding terms of use." Can you point to such imports? In my opinion, we should treat such license issues on Wikidata as serious as we do on the other projects.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DennyCc: Denny, Ivanhercaz, Pintoch, Lydia_Pintscher, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, ZhouZ, Mpaulson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Slaporte, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T87579: investigate solutions for items with a large number of aliases
Denny added a subscriber: Denny. Denny added a comment. I am quite strongly against splitting the label and description by the aliases. The label and description together establish the identity of the item, whereas the aliases (which is indeed a bad term) are used to facilitate finding the item. No further meaning should be associated with these things. The label and description are a semantic unit, whereas the aliases are outside of those. Aliases are not just more labels for the entity, or alternative labels. Instead, aliases are meant to help with the search, but not for establishing identity. E.g. 'George Bush' might be a decent alias for Q207, and the description could be 'US president', but it would not be a good label because label+description do not establish identity in that case. The alias is only there because we assume that users might search for 'George Bush', and then can select between the relevant items based on their actual label+description. So, please put the label and description together again. This is also how it works in the entity selector (for good reasons), and this visual unity also sells the concept of the label and description being the identity providers for items. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87579 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Snaterlicious, Denny Cc: Denny, Lydia_Pintscher, Snaterlicious, adrianheine, Tobi_WMDE_SW, thiemowmde, Wikidata-bugs, Aklapper, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T92759: allow editing of more languages in the in other languages box than the ones defined via babel boxes
Denny added a subscriber: Denny. Denny added a comment. But maybe name it More, Even more, All ;) TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92759 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Denny, Daniel_Mietchen, Ricordisamoa, thiemowmde, Lydia_Pintscher, Snaterlicious, adrianheine, Aklapper, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T87579: investigate solutions for items with a large number of aliases
Denny added a comment. Since the top line is not directly editable anymore anyway, also an option could be to set the Label in big letters in the top, description next to it (not under it), and the aliases below. This should also be pleasing aesthetically, and keeping the semantic unity of label+description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87579 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Snaterlicious, Denny Cc: aude, Denny, Lydia_Pintscher, Snaterlicious, adrianheine, Tobi_WMDE_SW, thiemowmde, Wikidata-bugs, Aklapper ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T89949: RDF mapping should not assert that .../entity/Q123 is-a Wikidata item
Denny added a comment. No, /entity/Q23 is not the description, indeed, it is the item. Refer also to http://korrekt.org/papers/Wikidata-RDF-export-2014.pdf (as per IRC chat). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89949 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Denny, Smalyshev, mkroetzsch, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, Jdouglas, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T85541: ULS on Wikidata does not work
Denny created this task. Denny added a subscriber: Denny. Denny added projects: MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient. TASK DESCRIPTION When I click on the ULS widget, nothing happens. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85541 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign username. EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Denny Cc: Aklapper, Denny, Wikidata-bugs, Arrbee, KartikMistry ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
