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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani

2022-05-10 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  We can only support scripts supported in Unicode. So what is the font to be
  used?
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T212313: Add monolingual language code en-in (Indian English)

2020-11-08 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  No problems with Indian English, we also support Australian English. I can
  imagine that there are differences in Indian English but that takes nothing
  away from the legitimacy of this request.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T234761: Add monolingual language code lcm

2019-10-10 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  Please explain what purpose it will serve.
  
  Given that it is a natural language that is actually spoken, full service
  in labels and descriptions will serve its potential audience. You can go
  ahead and install this and once the language committee agrees to a change
  whereby Wikidata becomes available with no requirement for full
  localisation of MediaWiki. The most used messages for Wikipedia / Wikidata
  would serve for both.
  
  I really want the language committee to decide one way or the other so that
  we can move forward properly. (it does not need to take more than a week)
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T234761: Add monolingual language code lcm

2019-10-06 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  So you are fine having people work using a method that does not provide a
  benefit for no good reason? When we can agree on the proposal that is on
  the table, the work done in this restricted way will be of no use. That is
  a travesty.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T234761: Add monolingual language code lcm

2019-10-06 Thread GerardM

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  There is no point in accepting an inferior method when another, a better
  way is being considered. As I indicated this method does not bring any
  benefits to the table.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T234761: Add monolingual language code lcm

2019-10-06 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  I fail to see what the benefit will be of this. I have put a proposal to
  the language committee that will make the efforts useful and usable. I am
  awaiting their response.
  
  At this time for me there is a no.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

2019-05-03 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  There is a big difference between mono-lingual texts and the use in labels
  and descriptions. The latter needs support in translatewiki.net as well.
  The criteria for that are much more stringent.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-04-28 Thread GerardM

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  Given the abuse, you make no argument that is acceptable. That and you are
  wrong.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222020: Add monolingual language code clc (Tsilhqotʹin)

2019-04-28 Thread GerardM

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  A code is a must have.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155367: Add monolingual language code abq (Abaza)

2019-04-21 Thread GerardM

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  The language may be written in two scripts however, use what is standard and 
standard use is Cyrillic given what Jon Harald mentioned.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T164580: Add monolingual language code syc

2019-04-21 Thread GerardM

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  This is a language to be written in its original script. Clearly entitled to 
be used in Wikidata.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

2019-04-08 Thread GerardM

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  Yes,
  I know these are fine.
  Thanks,

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

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  Yes,
  I know and consequently they are fine.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

2019-04-08 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  When we go the way of allowing for languages that are not accepted in any
  standard, we could use -x- However, it removes any possibility to question
  the validity and the inclusion of anything used by such a code. So I
  strongly urge us to refrain from non standard entries.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-29 Thread GerardM

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  One of the comitments of the Wikimedia Foundation is that we will comply with 
standards. Vladimir fails to understand that the fact that "Chinese" has been 
transcribed in hieroglyphs has no bearing on standards. First, Chinese is 
probably to be understood as Mandarin, the script is probably to be understood 
as Simplified. A circus trick does not make an argument.
  
  As I have repeated all too often, Phoenician transcribed in the Latin script 
is not standardised and as no Phoenicians ever used the Latin script, it is a 
fallacy to consider a code for Phoenician with a script added to it as being in 
compliance with standards.
  
  As to previous arguments used, Vladimir failed to convice why a "science 
award" was useful in the first place. He used as an argument that "science 
awards" have a hierarchy of importance but he failed to argue why the bias in 
these hierarchies is something that Wikidata has to support.. All I heard was 
"because we can". Yes, we can be biased and yes there is no argument why 
Phoenician in the Latin script is anything but a transliteration to a language 
in the same way that Cadiz is not Spanish.
  Thanks and let this be the end of this.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-27 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi Alexiev,
  What you just did is a personal attack. It does not make an argument go
  away. It does not help your point of view.
  
  When some linguists take it up on themselves to express a language in other
  scripts, they may. It does not change the notion that there is no clear
  benefit why we should use Phoenician in the Latin script based on a
  transliteration for a language.. PS What Chinese labels because there are
  two.
  Thanks,
  
GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-20 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  You say it in your reply. The English word is Cadiz and the Spanish word is
  Cádiz. There is no Phoenician in Latin script.
  Thanks,
  
GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-19 Thread GerardM

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  Hoi,
  It would still be a word used in the rest of the text. Transliteration
  differs depending on the language not on the script conversion.
  Thanks,
  
GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T216798: Add monolingual language code tlb

2019-02-24 Thread GerardM

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  No problem having a monolingual code for tlb Tobelo 
https://www.ethnologue.com/15/show_language/tlb/

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-12 Thread GerardM

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No, it is is  phn-Latn when it is used for use by Phoenicians.
Transliteration is different even within a script there are differences
depending for what language it is transliterated.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-08 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
When you transliterate a name of a language typically it is transliterated
for a specific language. It is not that language.even when you know that
the original is transliterated for a specific language.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210311: Add monolingual language code ccp for Chakma

2019-01-08 Thread GerardM

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Hoi, according to the Wikipedia article there is one script; the Chakma script (Cakm). Eastern Nagari and Ajhapath are two orthographies using the same script? How are they related to the two peoples indicated to speak the language and in what orthography is the curriculum mentioned. IMHO that could be be the default and does not necessarily need an indication of the orthography.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210311EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, Mahir256, Aklapper, Sascha, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, D3r1ck01, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-07 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The code phn is reserved for the Phoenician language. However, it is not
written in the Latin script. Consequently the question why it should be
accepted in the Latin script is real. What is the point?
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T154589: evaluate creation of en-us for Wikidata monolingual strings

2018-12-05 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add monolingual language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter

2018-11-30 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T198674: Add monolingual language code el-cy

2018-07-24 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
When I want to be pedantic (but factually correct) the code should be
el-CY. The standard for ISO-3166 has the codes in upper case. When there is
a need to distinguish Greek from Cyprus, yes, el-CY would be fine.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2018-06-13 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
In the past we have been where we are now with Wikidata and new language
codes with new Wikipedias. The result was mayhem, and everything was just
as the  "community"  decided. The result is the many Wikipedias that have
no community. As a result the Language Committee took the place of "the
community"and from that moment new Wikipedias do conform to standards.

I have seen too many requests that are problematic that will in my opinion
not bring anything to Wikidata. I find a lack of purpose in what is
proposed. I do understand a purpose for texts as they were originally but
where is the purpose in adding labels that have arbitrarily transliterated
in other scripts.

There is no point. It is not the "community" supporting this it hidden in
phabricator.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-06-08 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
I understand the purpose of Phoenician in Phoenician. Having it in the
Latin script makes no sense to me at all
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T185194: Add monolingual language codes qya, sjn

2018-04-18 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Artificial languages are not what we support by default. I am not in favour
for these particular cult languages. I will ask the language committee if
they see it any different.The fact that Tolkien wrote some poems is in
itself not enough.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T185194: Add monolingual language codes qya, sjn

2018-04-18 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Is there a purpose for these languages. My feeling is that as these languages are incomplete as languages there is little that they will add.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184783: Add monolingual language code shy

2018-04-18 Thread GerardM

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There is imho no problem, an individual language..
https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/zenati
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-16 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
There is no problem with this language. It is not a macro language. Go with it.. PS it does use the Phoenician script..  Maybe that needs inclusion in the language tools but that is no prerequisite.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2018-04-13 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The language committee is responsible for the use of the codes used. As it is, multiple members have indicated that it is wrong to add these codes. Please desist.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

2018-02-18 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
I understand how this could work for the dictionary part of Wikidata. I
understand how it could work for labels and aliases. Why do you think this
will work for descriptions?
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliasses and descriptions to Wikidata

2018-02-18 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
In principle the language committee has given permission for monolingual
texts. This is NOT given for labels, descriptions and aliases. That
requires involvement of native speakers. It requires an agreement of the
language committee.

What makes you think you can add labels and descriptions correctly?
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2018-01-24 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The defenitions are in the standard. The standard is the ISO639-3.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2017-12-01 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Please motivate.
Thanks,

GerardM

Op vr 1 dec. 2017 om 18:48 schreef VIGNERON <
no-re...@phabricator.wikimedia.org>

VIGNERON added a subtask: T181823: Add monolingual language code fro and
 frm in Wikdiata.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2017-12-01 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
What I find is totally unreadable.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2017-11-17 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2017-11-17 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2017-11-16 Thread GerardM

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I think that we should stop with these stamp collections there is no argument why we want to do this, we have seen that the meaning given often differs substantially from what the standard is. It makes more sense to study the effect of the introduction of Wiktionary content.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144272EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: Nikerabbit, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Zoranzoki21, Nikki, Amire80, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, GerardM, thiemowmde, Aklapper, Esc3300, Lahi, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T154589: evaluate creation of en-us for Wikidata monolingual strings

2017-11-14 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The Alsatian issues precedes the language policy and as such it is a "fait
accompli". We have to live with it. A similar situation will no longer come
into being because it will not be approved.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2017-11-11 Thread GerardM

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No mn-Mong is a combination of the language and the script.  mn is a ISO-639-1 codeTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: GerardMCc: ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, Lahi, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2017-08-27 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The consideration has been only is it a valid code. The question asked is a
different one. What is the point to all these codes that probably do not
bring anything to Wikidata.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2017-08-26 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
I asked in the past why codes were added. In principle, we could include
them all but there is no clarity why codes are proposed. As a consequence I
lost interest.

So I agree with Amir that some sanity would be in order.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T172786: Labels in Wikidata are missing when editing

2017-08-08 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T161983: Add Rangi language (lag) to Wikidata

2017-06-21 Thread GerardM

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Did you try to add it using the language code?
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-14 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
I know very well what this is about. As a member of the language committee
I made the arrangements for other languages then the codes accepted for
localisation to be accepted for monolingual texts. You can ask Lydia if you
do not believe this.

It is with this background that I am making my point.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-14 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
the specific problem is that there is clear and uncontroversial consensus
to transition nrm to nrf, and the actual execution is only blocked by
technical issues. Issues that are only pushed forward because it is not
deemed to be relevant enough.

The problem is that we do not conform to standards and we make it worse.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-13 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Yes. There is a system in codes. When you have a subset that is not
associated with the superset, you destroy the credibility of the language
codes.

There is an outstanding request to rename wikipedias for this reason. We
should not make the current situation worse.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Because they are a subset of nrf.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The issue is that the proposed code is a subset. The main item is
problematic and therefore this code is problematic.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155424: Add monolingual language code abq-Latn (Abaza in Latin script)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Saying no when it is appropriate is constructive.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The code NRM is used incorrectly .. as you know.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155368: Add monolingual language code hbo (Biblical Hebrew)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
I think that hbo is quite ambiguous.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155424: Add monolingual language code abq-Latn (Abaza in Latin script)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
I am active in both Wikidata and in the Language committee.. There are more
people in there who have a valid opinion.

NB this is not primarily a Wikidata concern. It adds codes because the
language committee sees room for it.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
As mentioned elsewhere and not only by me, it is not.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
No you get it backward. At this time for this language we (WMF) identify
incorrectly. We should not make the mess even bigger.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais)

2017-06-11 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
Given that there is a Wikipedia with the wrong code, it is not possible
imho to do justice to the language. WMF has never had a reason to sort it
out, now it has. Adding codes is not appropriate under these circumstances.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T165648: Add monolingual language code for nrf Guernésiais

2017-06-08 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
In this case I think the language committee wants to be involved. This is
one of the longstanding issues we face and we do not want to muddle the
waters even more. So in this case it is not ok to move forward imho.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155430: Add monolingual language code nr (Southern Ndebele)

2017-05-05 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca

2017-03-27 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
When you want a technical point, the code is a combination of two parts, to
standards. It is fr, the ISO 639 -1 code for Francais, the French language
and CA, the ISO 3166-2 code for Canada. Both should be spelled correctly so
the code should be fr-CA
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2017-02-16 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
What is meant by the cn and hk? It probably has nothing to do with a script
.. a script has four characters. Consequently this is not about script in
the definition.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2017-01-04 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
First there has to be agreement on the use of codes like this in the
language committee.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca

2017-01-04 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
For en-US we take it that it is standard English.. We do have en-GB among
others already.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151129: Add monolingual language code moe

2016-11-21 Thread GerardM

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The name is capitalised according to Ethnologue but yes, it is a recognised language. 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-ca

2016-11-20 Thread GerardM

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This is NOT necessarily where the language committee gives its ok. It is not a different language.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T98314: [Bug] add Talossan (tzl) to Wikidata

2016-10-23 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
It does have a valid ISO-639-3 code. No problem here. I do not know how it
may become meaningful. It is an open question for several languages.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking)

2016-10-22 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
This is not a language with an ISO-639-3 code and therefore it should not
be created.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels (etc)

2016-10-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The Wikipedia article says different. Indeed Ethnologue is leading.. By the
way these others in the article are not dialects. They may be added as well
when there is a need.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels (etc)

2016-10-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Exactly and according to the ISO-638-3 Noongar is a macro dialects and what
you call dialects are languages.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels (etc)

2016-10-11 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
ISO 639-3 is about languages not dialects. They all have their own
ISO-639-3 code.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels (etc)

2016-10-09 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
The Wikipedia article has it as a macro language and that makes it
problematic.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-10-04 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
You are wrong. We do not accept macro languages for new purposes. Only when
a code is already in use, we let it ride. Reluctantly. The point of this is
that we do not and do not want to end existing projects.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-29 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
We do not accept anything new that does not comply with the policy. There
is plenty of old stuff that does not change as per the policy.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-29 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Yes, and zh is a language not a macro language. It is about new
recognitions and mn is a macro language. When the language policy were in
effect from the beginning, it would have been eng.wikipedia.org.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-29 Thread GerardM

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Please provide the source that backs you up. It has to be the ISO-639-3 as
it is what our policies is based on.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-28 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
You are wasting your time searching for a result that is wrong on basic
principles. When a language is not a language why would you want it to be a
language ? Why seek in documents something that is self evident. Something
that is NOT a language should never be accepted as a language.

Please think.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-28 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
It is so obvious that is not even in the policy.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-28 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
I am a member of the Language Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation. It is
stated policy that we do not accept macro languages. Lydia does read the
comments and she knows of its existence, its policies and for me it is not
personal. Is it for you?
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-27 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
That makes no difference. A language needs to fulfill some minimum
requirements and mn is not the code for a language.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-27 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
Sorry but your only option is wrong on principles. The code mn is for a
language code that will never get recognition from the language committee.
The way to distinguish between scripts is by using the ISO-15934 code and
consequently it should be mn-Mong if your way would be followed.

The difference between the codes is that they are both languages in their
own right and are recognised as such.

Wikipedia is not a source for this; try Ethnologue it is linked to the
ISO-639-3 and that is the standard we follow.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T146707: Add Lule Sami and Pite Sami as supported languages in Wikidata

2016-09-27 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137808: [Task] Add monolingual language code mnc

2016-09-22 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
Having a font has never been a prequisite for support in MediaWiki. It has
been a reason to support the development of a Freely licensed font or to
support talks on the licensing of an existing font.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-22 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
The practise of dropping upper case in the ISO-15934 is a MediaWiki
practice that is incorrect. In the grand scheme of things it is only a
minor matter.

Mong is the correct code for the Mongolian script. The reason why mn-mong
is not there is that it does not make sense to associate a scriot with a
macro language, mn is in itself NOT a language it includes multiple
languages and it is why it will not get support for a new language for a
new project.

So in conclusion, mn-mong can be understood to mean any Mongolian text
written in the Mongolian script. In the current understanding of languages
it is not precise and it is why it will not be approved for a new WMF
project.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong

2016-09-22 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
mn is the code ISO-639 for the language, Mong is the CLDR code for the
script and CN is a code for the country where it is practices. The correct
LANGUAGE code is either khk or mvf because as a macro language that does
not have an existing project it is not eligible.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T127435: Allow items in Cape Verdean Creole (kea) in Wikidata

2016-09-05 Thread GerardM

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Wikidata may support over 7000 languages; all the languages that are recognised are allowed.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T98314: [Bug] add Talossan (tzl) to Wikidata

2016-08-18 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T127435: Allow items in Cape Verdean Creole (kea) in Wikidata

2016-07-04 Thread GerardM

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This is a living language. No problem 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137115: Add monolingual language code "non"

2016-06-18 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T138131: Add language "Haida (hai)" to dropdown menu

2016-06-18 Thread GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-08 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,

Adding NEW languages or NEW scripts to an existing language is something
that has always been done after consideration by the language committee.
For languages that are known to exist in ISO-639-3 there is approval to add
them after a request.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-08 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
It is what we do in Wikipedia. It is the standard.

Do you really want to duplicate all labels for a language on this
assumption? Or are you saying that sr is the standard and the others are
when something is different in the same way as for American English,
British English etc?
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-08 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
When you compare a choice made and having to detect a script I am shocked
that it is only 10 times more difficult. We do not need to store in both
Latin script and Cyrillic. We should use the MediaWiki convention and store
in Cyrillic. That is an architectural difference with any other language.
WE SHOULD NEVER STORE BOTH.

That is not a feature request.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-08 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.

Hoi,
Detecting a script is easy... It is within a certain block of characters
and that makes it a particular script. Not hard at all. This is script
detection not language detection.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-07 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.

Hoi,
For monolingual text we should never transliterate.

When we enter data in Wikidata on any other type of field, it should be
Serbian and the transliteration should be automatic.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-07 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
We should NOT apply automatic transliteration between them for display.
THAT IS THE POINT. So we do not have this.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-07 Thread GerardM

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Hoi,
It is simple. When a text is in Serbian, it can be in the Latin or the
Cyrillic script. When a text is only to be shown in one language, it should
also be exclusively in one script.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language

2015-10-06 Thread GerardM

GerardM added a comment.

Hoi,
They are known. It is just that the software presents them in a way that is
controlled programatically. The purpose here is to show a language in a
particular script ALL the time.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T103092: research editing on clients

2015-07-23 Thread GerardM

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