[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T287206: Add link to add interwiki links back to the sidebar
alexhollender added a comment. do we want to add an AC about ensuring that this link doesn't appear in legacy vector (or other skins)? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T287206 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: bwang, Mike_Peel, cjming, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, alexhollender, Jdlrobson, Ladsgroup, Addshore, Theklan, ovasileva, Biggs657, Patafisik_WMF, Invadibot, Lalamarie69, Selby, maantietaja, Juan90264, Alter-paule, Beast1978, Un1tY, Akuckartz, Demian, Hook696, Kent7301, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, Giuliamocci, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Af420, Bsandipan, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T286659: [SPIKE] Explore adding interwiki links link back to sidebar
alexhollender added a comment. In T286659#7212830 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T286659#7212830>, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: > I don't think the Wikidata Item link in the sidebar is sufficient. The existing functionality is there exactly to avoid sending you to Wikidata where possible and instead to the operation locally on the Wikipedia. @Lydia_Pintscher thanks for this context. I was not aware that it's possible to do this on Wikipedia, I thought it always took you to Wikidata. Would it be possible for you to provide a screenshot and/or a link for how to see that functionality? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T286659 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Jdlrobson, alexhollender Cc: alexhollender, Lydia_Pintscher, ovasileva, Aklapper, Patafisik_WMF, Invadibot, Selby, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Demian, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, JJMC89, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T286659: [SPIKE] Explore adding interwiki links link back to sidebar
alexhollender added a comment. @ovasileva I wonder if this would make sense within the Page tools section, below the `Wikidata item` link? F34551079: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F34551079> TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T286659 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: ovasileva, Aklapper, Patafisik_WMF, Invadibot, Selby, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Demian, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, JJMC89, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T282026: Unable to quickly add interwiki links via Wikidata’s "Add link" interface
alexhollender added a comment. adding a note from our team meeting the other week: the "Wikidata item" link in the sidebar could be used as a replacement for the former `Add links` button. F34551076: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F34551076> TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T282026 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: sgrabarczuk, Mehran, Ladsgroup, Jeeputer, Xaosflux, Huji, M2k_dewiki, alexhollender, stjn, Pginer-WMF, Nikerabbit, santhosh, Jdlrobson, KartikMistry, SerDIDG, Mike_Peel, Robby, GiorgiOkropiridze, Amire80, ovasileva, Aca, Aklapper, Srdjan, Patafisik_WMF, Invadibot, Selby, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Demian, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, JJMC89, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wong128hk, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T64554: Tag protected items with a padlock
alexhollender removed a subtask: T12347: Should protection status indicators be handled by MediaWiki core (vs. templates)?. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64554 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: Ricordisamoa, Jdforrester-WMF, matmarex, thiemowmde, He7d3r, iecetcwcpggwqpgciazwvzpfjpwomjxn, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Lydia_Pintscher, JohnLewis, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, lucamauri, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262472: Show language links on Talk & History pages
alexhollender added a parent task: T256023: [EPIC] Improve language switching capabilities. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: JohnLewis, Platonides, Ricordisamoa, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Naraht, PokestarFan, Liuxinyu970226, MarkAHershberger, Iniquity, ppelberg, Qgil, Ainali, He7d3r, Olvin, Atmark-chan, Nux, DonTrung, Jony, Ladsgroup, AdHuikeshoven, BEANS-X2, santhosh, Izno, Base, ovasileva, Pginer-WMF, Lydia_Pintscher, Amire80, alexhollender, Ata, Aklapper, Johan, Selby, AndreCstr, maantietaja, XeroS_SkalibuR, Akuckartz, Demian, Adidsone1, DannyS712, Nandana, Mirahamira, Phukettaxigroup, Lahi, Gq86, Markhalsey, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, pmiazga, LawExplorer, JJMC89, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, abian, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262472: Show language links on Talk & History pages
alexhollender merged a task: T30604: Show interlanguage links on associated talk pages too. alexhollender added subscribers: MarkAHershberger, Liuxinyu970226, PokestarFan, Naraht, aude, Wikidata-bugs, Ricordisamoa, Platonides, JohnLewis. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: JohnLewis, Platonides, Ricordisamoa, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Naraht, PokestarFan, Liuxinyu970226, MarkAHershberger, Iniquity, ppelberg, Qgil, Ainali, He7d3r, Olvin, Atmark-chan, Nux, DonTrung, Jony, Ladsgroup, AdHuikeshoven, BEANS-X2, santhosh, Izno, Base, ovasileva, Pginer-WMF, Lydia_Pintscher, Amire80, alexhollender, Ata, Aklapper, Johan, Selby, AndreCstr, maantietaja, XeroS_SkalibuR, Akuckartz, Demian, Adidsone1, DannyS712, Nandana, Mirahamira, Phukettaxigroup, Lahi, Gq86, Markhalsey, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, pmiazga, LawExplorer, JJMC89, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, abian, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T30604: Show interlanguage links on associated talk pages too
alexhollender closed this task as a duplicate of T262472: Show language links on Talk History pages. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T30604 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: Liuxinyu970226, PokestarFan, Naraht, Izno, aude, Wikidata-bugs, He7d3r, MarkAHershberger, Ricordisamoa, Platonides, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, JohnLewis, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, lucamauri, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, abian, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262472: Show language links on Talk & History pages
alexhollender added a subscriber: ppelberg. alexhollender added a comment. In T262472#6674940 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472#6674940>, @Johan wrote: > Though T47687 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T47687> is about the edit tab, if we were planning about doing anything about that. Ok I'm going to be bold and suggest we handle the edit tab use case separately. cc @ppelberg TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: ppelberg, Qgil, Ainali, He7d3r, Olvin, Atmark-chan, Nux, DonTrung, Jony, Ladsgroup, AdHuikeshoven, BEANS-X2, santhosh, Izno, Base, ovasileva, Pginer-WMF, Lydia_Pintscher, Amire80, alexhollender, Ata, Aklapper, Johan, Selby, AndreCstr, XeroS_SkalibuR, Akuckartz, Demian, Adidsone1, DannyS712, Nandana, Mirahamira, Phukettaxigroup, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, pmiazga, LawExplorer, JJMC89, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Rxy ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262472: Show language links on Talk & History pages
alexhollender renamed this task from "Show language links from other tabs than the article tab" to "Show language links on Talk & History pages". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: Qgil, Ainali, He7d3r, Olvin, Atmark-chan, Nux, DonTrung, Jony, Ladsgroup, AdHuikeshoven, BEANS-X2, santhosh, Izno, Base, ovasileva, Pginer-WMF, Lydia_Pintscher, Amire80, alexhollender, Ata, Aklapper, Johan, Selby, AndreCstr, XeroS_SkalibuR, Akuckartz, Demian, Adidsone1, DannyS712, Nandana, Mirahamira, Phukettaxigroup, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, pmiazga, LawExplorer, JJMC89, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Rxy ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262472: Show language links from other tabs than the article tab
alexhollender added a subscriber: Qgil. alexhollender added a comment. A few things to clarify: - in Vector the language links are being moved to a button/menu in the article header (more info here <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Language_switching>) - @Nux this includes adjusting the location of the coordinates and other article indicators, as you pointed out (T263511 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263511>) - do we know if the issue noted by @Qgil in T30604#845992 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T30604#845992> is still an issue? - @Johan "Show language links from other tabs than the article tab" — can we rename this for more clarity/specificity to: "Show language links on Talk & History pages"? Or are there others we are aiming to include here? I've checked several Wikipedias and from what I can tell Talk pages don't have any conflicting elements: F33939056: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F33939056> History pages however seem to commonly have a `Help` button in the location that we're moving the language button to, so we'd need to move that either next to or below the button: | F33939059: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F33939059> | F33939061: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F33939061> | | TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: Qgil, Ainali, He7d3r, Olvin, Atmark-chan, Nux, DonTrung, Jony, Ladsgroup, AdHuikeshoven, BEANS-X2, santhosh, Izno, Base, ovasileva, Pginer-WMF, Lydia_Pintscher, Amire80, alexhollender, Ata, Aklapper, Johan, Selby, AndreCstr, XeroS_SkalibuR, Akuckartz, Demian, Adidsone1, DannyS712, Nandana, Mirahamira, Phukettaxigroup, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, pmiazga, LawExplorer, JJMC89, Iniquity, _jensen, rosalieper, Agabi10, Scott_WUaS, Volker_E, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Rxy ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262472: Show language links from other tabs than the article tab
alexhollender added a comment. > Should the link always go to the article tab? Or should the history tab point to the history tab of another language? @Johan I think this is the main question. Can you frame this request from a user need / workflow perspective? It may help clarify some of the open questions. Interestingly we actually intentionally disabled interlanguage links from the advanced Talk pages on mobile because we thought it might be confusing (i.e. where does it lead?). F32352690: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F32352690> In Vector the "tab" has more prominence than on mobile because it's located above the page title. So I think if we went from en/Talk > ja/Talk, or en/History > ja/History I think that would make sense from a system perspective, but not sure if that matches the actual workflow/use case. F32352697: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F32352697> Relatedly, we've talked a bit about how it might make more sense for the page title to be above the tabs (instead of below). I think if we went in this direction it would be more clear that you'd get directed to the article tab of the new language, even if you're on Talk/History/etc. F32352699: image.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F32352699> TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262472 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: ovasileva, Pginer-WMF, Lydia_Pintscher, Amire80, alexhollender, Ata, Aklapper, Johan, XeroS_SkalibuR, Akuckartz, Adidsone1, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Phukettaxigroup, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331, Rxy ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T236688: IP edit message box blocks "publish" button at screen sizes lower than 1280px
alexhollender created this task. alexhollender added a project: Wikidata. Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. TASK DESCRIPTION Description --- After pressing `edit` a message box appears to notify me that I am not logged in. At screen sizes below 1280px this message box blocks the `publish` button. | initial screen | after pressing `edit` | | F30907310: Screen Shot 2019-07-10 at 4.26.56 PM.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F30907310> | F30907311: Screen Shot 2019-07-10 at 4.27.14 PM.png <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F30907311> | TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T236688 WORKBOARD https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/71/ EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: Aklapper, alexhollender, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T183126: Link to wikidata item in mobile view
alexhollender added a comment. Yes, once AMC ships to all wikis we can resolve this. Users will have the choice to enable AMC and therefore access the Wikidata link for pages/articles. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183126 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: alexhollender Cc: Jdlrobson, alexhollender, Ayack, ovasileva, Aklapper, Beta16, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, mojoaxel, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, _jensen, rosalieper, Jdrewniak, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Lydia_Pintscher, Addshore, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T131013: Don't capitalize Wikidata descriptions when viewing article
alexhollender added a comment.
This comment relates to Conversation 4 (see T131013#4933393 for a key)
@Deskana I wonder if there's a variation of the option 2 you proposed:
Keep the descriptions capitalised, and change the editing experience to tell people that they shouldn't capitalise descriptions.
This gets confusing really fast, and people aren't likely to really understand. ("They're capitalised, but don't capitalise it yourself, we'll capitalise it for you, until you try editing it again in which case we won't, but we'll do it again afterwards...")
What if we allowed people to edit descriptions, but instead of telling them not to capitalize we just automatically forced the first letter to be lowercase when we stored it in Wikidata? Of course this would be obscuring things from editors, however maybe it is the best compromise. The end result would be what's desired for both services: descriptions wouldn't be capitalized in Wikidata, and they would be in Wikipedia.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131013EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: alexhollenderCc: Charlotte, cmadeo, alexhollender, Volker_E, gerritbot, Mehman97, santhosh, MuhammadShuaib, Liuxinyu970226, matej_suchanek, BukhariSaeed, Marsupium, Elitre, Jdlrobson, Esc3300, RHo, Niedzielski, siebrand, Amire80, JKatzWMF, dr0ptp4kt, Lydia_Pintscher, Deskana, Dbrant, Nirzar, JMinor, Jhernandez, Aklapper, Sjoerddebruin, Nandana, A.S.Kochergin, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, _jensen, Jdrewniak, JGirault, Srdjan_m, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, Mbch331, Jay8g___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T131013: Don't capitalize Wikidata descriptions when viewing article
alexhollender added a comment. Yesterday, offline, I mentioned to @Jdlrobson that I think we are discussing too many different things in this task simultaneously, and we should break the conversations out into separate tickets. His response was, ironically, that originally these were separate discussions and we combined them into one. However at this point I wonder if it's worth considering separate tasks? Conversation 1) Don't capitalize because it some languages have no notion of capitalization (@Amire80 & others) thankfully this is somewhat easy to fix Conversation 2) Don't capitalize because subtitles shouldn't be capitalized since they're not sentences (@Amire80, @Sjoerddebruin) this is up for debate. I think of the Wikidata description as a subtitle, and even though subtitles aren't sentences, they are typically capitalized. @Amire80 the opinion to capitalize is seems to be supported by some design and product members (including myself), see T131013#2244140, T131013#2289870, T131013#4932344. *Conversation 3)* Don't capitalize because there are some edge-cases for which capitalization might cause awkwardness (Jon, Volker) this seems rare enough that we can maybe ignore it? *Conversation 4)* Don't capitalize because Wikipedia editors will get confused and think (incorrectly) that when editing Wikidata they should capitalize the descriptions (@Lydia_Pintscher) It seems there is consensus that data storage (Wikidata) and presentation of content (Wikipedia) should be de-coupled. In other words, it should be up to the client to determine how to present the data. It also is clear that Wikidata wants un-capitalized descriptions. Therefore some additional work needs to be done such that the presentation of Wikidata on Wikipedia is not misleading/confusing editors. @Deskana and @Jdlrobson have recommended a number of solutions here. TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131013EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: alexhollenderCc: Charlotte, cmadeo, alexhollender, Volker_E, gerritbot, Mehman97, santhosh, MuhammadShuaib, Liuxinyu970226, matej_suchanek, BukhariSaeed, Marsupium, Elitre, Jdlrobson, Esc3300, RHo, Niedzielski, siebrand, Amire80, JKatzWMF, dr0ptp4kt, Lydia_Pintscher, Deskana, Dbrant, Nirzar, JMinor, Jhernandez, Aklapper, Sjoerddebruin, Nandana, A.S.Kochergin, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, _jensen, Jdrewniak, JGirault, Srdjan_m, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T131013: Don't capitalize Wikidata descriptions when viewing article
alexhollender added a comment. @Amire80 So in other words, what Wikipedia wants (in Latin languages) is inconsistent with what Wikidata recommends. Sorry if it was already mentioned and I missed it, but where is it written that Wikipedias in the Latin alphabet want this? My apologies for not explaining this statement. The design recommendation is for consistency, specifically capitalization (as stated in the comments). Have there been any concerns raised by people using Wikipedias in the Latin alphabet? I had not seen such concerns (aside from ones that are conflated with the issue of languages that don't have capitalization) so was assuming that what we do currently is agreeable to most folks (with the understanding that there are edge cases).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131013EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: alexhollenderCc: alexhollender, Volker_E, gerritbot, Mehman97, santhosh, MuhammadShuaib, Liuxinyu970226, matej_suchanek, BukhariSaeed, Marsupium, Elitre, Jdlrobson, Esc3300, RHo, Niedzielski, siebrand, Amire80, JKatzWMF, dr0ptp4kt, Lydia_Pintscher, Deskana, Dbrant, Nirzar, JMinor, Jhernandez, Aklapper, Sjoerddebruin, Nandana, A.S.Kochergin, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, _jensen, Jdrewniak, JGirault, Srdjan_m, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T131013: Don't capitalize Wikidata descriptions when viewing article
alexhollender added a comment. I'm a bit confused because I see people expressing agreement with each other, however it is not clear to me what we're agreeing on. So here is another attempt to clarify things: Clear Capitalization does not make sense in certain languages (e.g. Georgian). We should never force capitalization of Wikidata descriptions on the front-end in such languages. This requires a change to the current functionality (which incidentally, and accidentally, slipped through recently but is not live yet). Any remaining, or new, code that modifies the capitalization of Wikidata descriptions should be language specific (i.e. no more global rules). Confusing We want consistency in how we display Wikidata descriptions. Specifically, we want Wikidata descriptions to be displayed with the first letter capitalized in Latin languages. The guidelines for Wikidata descriptions in English specify that Wikidata descriptions should start with a lowercase letter — "Descriptions begin with a lowercase letter except when uppercase would normally be required or expected". So in other words, what Wikipedia wants (in Latin languages) is inconsistent with what Wikidata recommends. Even if the Wikidata guideline was changed, it seems fair to assume that there would never be perfect consistency among Wikidata descriptions (which is probably okay, but worth noting). Open questions Assuming we fix the issue with languages that are being incorrectly capitalized, does anyone have an issue with capitalizing Wikidata descriptions in Latin languages on the front-end of Wikipedia? Is anyone familiar with Wikidata's general policy in terms of opinionated vs. unopinionated data? Or, said another way, how do we resolve the tension between: @Jdlrobson T131013#3544541 editors expect how descriptions display to match case when they edit them and this can cause edit confusion and @Jdlrobson T131013#3544541 Wikidata is a data store. Just as we wouldn't expect clients to have to render dates mm/dd/yy we shouldn't expect them to have to use case. We should be caring about the content not how it's used. I am either misunderstanding this, or there is a tension/contradiction. If an editor expects their Wikidata input to match the output/display on Wikipedia, then the "data store" would indeed be opinionated, specifically towards what Wikipedia wants. This seems like a larger conversation. It also seems like one that is probably ongoing somewhere. In conclusion It seems like we then have two options (I'm assuming we fix the obvious issue discussed above with languages like Georgian): Continue formatting Wikidata descriptions on the front-end of Wikipedia for Latin languages. The benefit of this option is that we retain the level of consistency we have now. The drawback is that Wikipedia does not mirror what is on Wikidata (although it's unclear that this is even desirable). Start a conversation with Wikidata to see if they are willing to update their guidelines for item descriptions. If they are willing, we can drop the code that forces capitalization in Latin languages. The benefit of this option is that Wikipedia mirrors exactly what is in Wikidata (again, unclear that this is actually desirable). The drawback is for an indeterminate amount of time where we'd have inconsistency in how Wikidata descriptions look on Wikipedia, however theoretically this would eventually sort itself out. TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131013EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: alexhollenderCc: alexhollender, Volker_E, gerritbot, Mehman97, santhosh, MuhammadShuaib, Liuxinyu970226, matej_suchanek, BukhariSaeed, Marsupium, Elitre, Jdlrobson, Esc3300, RHo, Niedzielski, siebrand, Amire80, JKatzWMF, dr0ptp4kt, Lydia_Pintscher, Deskana, Dbrant, Nirzar, JMinor, Jhernandez, Aklapper, Sjoerddebruin, Nandana, A.S.Kochergin, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, _jensen, Jdrewniak, JGirault, Srdjan_m, LNDDYL, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Gryllida, Shizhao, Arrbee, Mbch331, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T207190: Use consistent 'edit' icon across web products
alexhollender added a comment. awesome, looks great. thanks.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T207190EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: alexhollenderCc: Jdlrobson, alexhollender, gerritbot, RHo, Pginer-WMF, Quiddity, MZMcBride, Maryana, Glaisher, Aklapper, Esanders, tarlocesilion, Ricordisamoa, TerraCodes, Liuxinyu970226, Volker_E, CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Gaboe420, A.S.Kochergin, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Jayprakash12345, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Winter, Lewizho99, Maathavan, Iniquity, JGirault, Psychoslave, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ladsgroup, Mbch331, Rxy, Jay8g___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T111231: Page previews for Wikidata
alexhollender edited projects, added Readers-Web-Backlog (Design); removed Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking). TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111231EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: alexhollenderCc: RodrigoTavares, Salgo60, Jhernandez, WMDE-leszek, bearND, hoo, Vibhabamba, Jdforrester-WMF, Wikidata-bugs, JanZerebecki, Se4598, SamB, Raymond, Quiddity, pizzzacat, gerritbot, Bdjwiki, Trizek-WMF, Jakob_WMDE, Pablo-WMDE, Smalyshev, ovasileva, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Mholloway, Sjoerddebruin, Pchelolo, pmiazga, aude, Nirzar, Tbayer, CKoerner_WMF, Yurik, phuedx, Jdlrobson, Liuxinyu970226, Yair_rand, JKatzWMF, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Jayprakash12345, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Zoranzoki21, LawExplorer, Winter, Lewizho99, Maathavan, DatGuy, Devwaker, Niklitov, Urbanecm, Jdrewniak, JEumerus, Tulsi_Bhagat, Wong128hk, Luke081515, SimmeD, Snowolf, Dcljr, Shizhao, Matanya, Mbch331, Rxy, Jay8g, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
