[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T109454: [Story] Create mockup for the article placeholder

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I think we can close this now.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T109454: [Story] Create mockup for the article placeholder

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To make it easier, here also as png:

F2954497: mockup-page001.png 


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So, this is the most recent mockup:

F2954492: mockup.pdf 


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F2954544: mockup-page001.png 


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T109454: [Story] Create mockup for the article placeholder

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As per @Lydia_Pintscher's request:
F2608896: articlePlaceholder3.png 

Still, this involves only minimal design and is meant to focus on the plain 
structure.
Personally, I would not put the picture to the right as this page's content and 
intention differs from a regular article.
Automated description sounds good to me. A description would definitely make 
sense and there would be room enough to place it in the header. Just the native 
Wikidata one is problematic.
Since @Lydia_Pintscher has a specific vision of the article placeholder, I 
guess she will guide the way regarding design and actual contents of the 
placeholder.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T109454: [Story] Create mockup for the article placeholder

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OK, now I get the picture! Although I wonder about the placeholders' use case 
if the information is not available instantly but after visiting a separate 
page first. The placeholder is basically mirroring the Wikidata page where it 
would be a good chance to make users directly aware of and get in touch with 
Wikidata which would be just one click away either. Of course Wikidata's major 
problem in that context is the UI but I wonder why not rather put some power 
into that.

Anyway, just making another suggestion:
F2367697: articlePlaceholder2.png https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F2367697 
The major constraint is indeed the MediaWiki page structure. I guess we cannot 
really alter the heading. Consequently, the hint about the page being an 
article placeholder needs to be below the heading section.
Personally, as long as references are to be displayed, I would not opt for 
putting property name and value next to each other on the same line like it is 
done in Wikibase at the moment. But if you are, of course, just including one 
single value for a property, that would be an option as well. External ids are 
pretty straight forward I guess and do not have/need any reference. Emulating 
an info box like in your screen shot is reasonable.


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I agree with Lucie that the image should probably be on the right side like it 
is in articles.


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I think we should display the description of an item in a given language 
somewhere. This make the placeholder much more useful. If there're no 
description we can generate an automated one 
https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autodesc_test.js based on statements.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T109454: [Story] Create mockup for the article placeholder

[Lucie]

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In search it would rather look like they have it in the Italian Wikipedia: 
https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale%3ARicercaprofile=defaultsearch=lydia+pintscherfulltext=Search
 - so there is still a fulltext search beside searching items.

Even though I like your draft, I have some things I wanted to point out:
I'd put the language links where they are on the Wikipedia, so there are only 
the other projects links left. They might need less space. 
Also, somehow in my eyes the images are right, but I don't really know why so I 
can live with images on the left, too :)

So as mentioned before, the placeholder is not going to be part of the search 
or included in it directly. (Due to the possibility of the search returning 
multiple items as results.) The placeholder is supposed to be an own page, 
created by the special page and therefore has it's own url, space etc. 
Just to show you how I thought of it from the more technical point, that's what 
the page looks now (without any design, just as a test to get all the data from 
Wikibase repo):
F2359153: article-placeholder-1.png https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F2359153

The description may still make sense to differentiate items in the search and 
if we use it there we should use it on the page itself, too. But I see your 
point that it might be to Wikidata specific, too.


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Is that heading into the right direction:
F2314047: articlePlaceholder1.png https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F2314047 
Just like in Wikibase, the right side could contain a column with links to 
other Wikimedia resources. Just below that, another box with links to Other 
resources or External resources using linked IDs could be placed.
Personally, I would refrain from using the description as its main purpose is 
to ease identification on Wikidata (the Wikibase instance) and, hence, may 
contain Wikidata specific content.


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For clarification:
What information needs to be on the page except the data from Wikidata? / Is it 
that page that would basically be replaced: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_that_does_not_exist? And there would be no 
redirection to full-text search anymore 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Page+that+does+not+existtitle=Special%3ASearchgo=Go),
 provided a Wikidata item is found?


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