[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T133498: Any title in wikibase can give its item id to modules

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Proposition to detect and to extend known title <-> entity links in a semi-automatic way:


One template or one module initiates an initial link when it give a first entity id, in one wiki project, in one language.
Then a reverse link can start from this entity to other modules in pages with the same title, in some namespaces, in the same wiki project.
Then the same link can start from this entity to any pages with the same title in other wiki projects in the same language.
Then the same link can start from translations of this entity in the same wiki projects in other languages.
Link exemple ( item = id, guide = new, project = wikisource, namespace = Author )
Then modules in all these titles can easily find there item id from mw.wikibase.getEntityIdForCurrentPage()  already existing but not functional.


Of course all that need some cautions:


Each reverse link can start only some days after initial link, in case of revert.
Several initial link can accelerate a reverse link.
Some modules can link to other entities by arbitrary acces and must not disturb the stability. That could also happen in titles where there are 2 linked entities like famous father and son.
Voluntary registered links confirmations seems necessary to solve any complex cases. See exemple in Victor Hugo = Q535 and search "Wikisource".


Long term stability:


When domains of stability are confirmed by large acceptations, initial link can desappear.
At any time and anywhere a divergent link can appear and must be accepted to start a new stable domain.
In case of a title included in more than one stable domain, the tracking selector type can guide the tracking logic to avoid ambiguity.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T133498: Any title in wikibase can give its item id to modules

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Rical added a comment.


  More precision:
  In wikidata, for authors like Victor Hugo present in wikisource, after all 
properties, the wikidata item have tables to make the links between wikidata 
and wikisource.
  This "tool" was made by Tpt... see behind : 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133498#2260316

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T133498: Any title in wikibase can give its item id to modules

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Rical added a comment.


  In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133498#2260063, hoo said "This poses 
the same usage tracking problems https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74815 does."
  
  Yes to add to reference manual.
  
  That is made only once for each title in each language in each project. Not 
at each invoke of the title.
  Also in wikisource, for authors like Victor Hugo 
 after all properties, we have tables to 
make the links.
  
  This "tool" was made by Tpt  and 
now we make the link manualy for each title. In my memory, to link each item to 
the namespace Author: in wikisource.
  Can we make bots to link existing pages and future new pages, following some 
adequate rules?
  And can we reduce human efforts to exceptional cases?

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