[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-12-08 Thread Ladsgroup
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  @jhsoby What's the final decision here?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-04-28 Thread GerardM
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  Given the abuse, you make no argument that is acceptable. That and you are
  wrong.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-04-28 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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  @GerardM The IANA language tag list has a subfield Script exactly because 
languages can be written in different scripts.
  Neither you nor I could write a single word in Phoenician script. Yet we 
could write a Phoenician word in English and be able to read it, and pronounce 
it approximately correctly.
  This is valuable, no matter if you acknowledge it or not.
  
  > Phoenician transcribed in the Latin script is not standardised and as no 
Phoenicians ever used the Latin script
  
  Sorry Gerard, but this argument is idiotic. 
  Are the LOC rules for transcribing Russian also "non-standard" or useless? 
https://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/russian.pdf
  Do you listen to anyone except your own thoughts?
  
  > Thanks and let this be the end of this.
  
  Indeed: if you stop with your pointless arguments, maybe that will let us 
make some progress, so users like @PKM can record what  they see in reliable 
sources.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-29 Thread GerardM
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  One of the comitments of the Wikimedia Foundation is that we will comply with 
standards. Vladimir fails to understand that the fact that "Chinese" has been 
transcribed in hieroglyphs has no bearing on standards. First, Chinese is 
probably to be understood as Mandarin, the script is probably to be understood 
as Simplified. A circus trick does not make an argument.
  
  As I have repeated all too often, Phoenician transcribed in the Latin script 
is not standardised and as no Phoenicians ever used the Latin script, it is a 
fallacy to consider a code for Phoenician with a script added to it as being in 
compliance with standards.
  
  As to previous arguments used, Vladimir failed to convice why a "science 
award" was useful in the first place. He used as an argument that "science 
awards" have a hierarchy of importance but he failed to argue why the bias in 
these hierarchies is something that Wikidata has to support.. All I heard was 
"because we can". Yes, we can be biased and yes there is no argument why 
Phoenician in the Latin script is anything but a transliteration to a language 
in the same way that Cadiz is not Spanish.
  Thanks and let this be the end of this.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-29 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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  "Unless GerardM thinks it is not useful" ;-)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-28 Thread PKM
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  I'm not sure how many times we have to say "we need to be able to record what 
is in reliable sources."

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-28 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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  > It does not make an argument go away.
  
  Your argument has not been substantiated by any info. You just repeat your 
opinion over and over again, without any elaboration.
  You did the same in the previous argument about "award" vs "science award": 
you claimed that the class "science award" is somehow harmful, without giving 
any substantiation or example.
  
  Maybe you can understand why your style of argument is aggravating.
  
  The benefit is very clear: if you cannot read or write Phoenician script or 
don't have such fonts installed, you can still read, write and pronounce a 
Phoenician word.
  For more info, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration.
  
  > What Chinese labels because there are two.
  
  Not sure what you mean: as the above link shows, Getty AAT has 26k Chinese 
labels in hieroglyphic script, and 3*15k in various transliterations.
  
  Cheers!

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-27 Thread GerardM
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  Hoi Alexiev,
  What you just did is a personal attack. It does not make an argument go
  away. It does not help your point of view.
  
  When some linguists take it up on themselves to express a language in other
  scripts, they may. It does not change the notion that there is no clear
  benefit why we should use Phoenician in the Latin script based on a
  transliteration for a language.. PS What Chinese labels because there are
  two.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-25 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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  > There is no Phoenician in Latin script.
  
  That is your opinion only.  I cannot write Phoenician script just like you 
cannot, but thanks to @PKM I can write and pronounce the name of that city in a 
script that I know: `Gades`.
  
  But @GerardM you always know better, don't you? 
  Better than Getty's linguists? As you can see at 
http://vocab.getty.edu/queries#Count_Terms_by_Language, they got 26k Chinese 
labels in hieroglyphic script, and 3*15k in various transliterations: but these 
labels are still in Chinese!
  Your opinions are always so strong and true that you don't need to answer 
other people's questions, it's enough to just repeat your opinions?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-20 Thread GerardM
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  Hoi,
  You say it in your reply. The English word is Cadiz and the Spanish word is
  Cádiz. There is no Phoenician in Latin script.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-20 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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  That is false. Gades is a Phoenician word, even if used in an English or 
Spanish text. The corresponding English word is Cadiz and the Spanish word is 
Cádiz.
  
  Look for example at http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300198841 (rhyta). "lai 
t'an chiu pei" is a Chinese word (in Wade-Giles transliteration). Having it in 
the previous English sentence does not make it an English word.
  The corresponding semantic representation is 
http://vocab.getty.edu/aat/term/1000589090-zh-Latn-wadegile and uses lang tag 
`zh-Latn-wadegile`, which is constructed according to IANA rules and indicates 
the language `zh`, the script `Latn` (this is a Latin transliteration, i.e. 
romanization) and the transliteration variant (`wadegiles`: there are several 
more commonly used for Chinese)
  
  But @GerardM you always know better, don't you? You know even better than the 
Getty and its linguists?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-19 Thread GerardM
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  Hoi,
  It would still be a word used in the rest of the text. Transliteration
  differs depending on the language not on the script conversion.
  Thanks,
  
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-19 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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  `"Gades"` is in `phn-Latn`, that's for sure.
  
  @GerardM I don't quite understand your arguments, but you seem to say that 
transliteration is just useless?
  What should be the lang tag of `"Gades"` in your opinion?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-03-19 Thread gerritbot
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  Change 427434 abandoned by Mbch331:
  Add monolingual code phn (Phoenician)
  
  Reason:
  Still no consensus and code base has changed significantly. Easier to make a 
new patch if there ever is consensus.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/427434

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-12 Thread GerardM
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No, it is is  phn-Latn when it is used for use by Phoenicians.
Transliteration is different even within a script there are differences
depending for what language it is transliterated.
Thanks,

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-12 Thread Lydia_Pintscher
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment.

In T155425#4858772, @GerardM wrote:
Hoi,
 The code phn is reserved for the Phoenician language. However, it is not
 written in the Latin script. Consequently the question why it should be
 accepted in the Latin script is real. What is the point?
 Thanks,

GerardM


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-08 Thread GerardM
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Hoi,
When you transliterate a name of a language typically it is transliterated
for a specific language. It is not that language.even when you know that
the original is transliterated for a specific language.
Thanks

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-08 Thread VladimirAlexiev
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Agree with @PKM: the name is "Gades"@phn-Latn, "Cadiz"@es and I guess "Cadiz"@en.
@Lydia_Pintscher will you name the language "Phoenician (Transliterated)"? The Getty does that, search for Chinese in that page and you'll see eg

		 Chinese (transliterated Hanyu Pinyin) (language)
		 Chinese (transliterated Pinyin) (language)
		 Chinese (transliterated Pinyin without tones) (language)
		 Chinese (transliterated Tongyong Pinyin) (language)
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-07 Thread PKM
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Because we have reputable sources that list the Phoenician names for historic places in Latin script (Gades for Cadiz).  I want to be able to record this information.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331, PKMCc: VladimirAlexiev, gerritbot, Esc3300, PKM, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, Dinadineke, CucyNoiD, Nandana, NebulousIris, Kieubinhtb, Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, tabish.shaikh91, Adrian1985, Asad_Ali_Palijo, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Soteriaspace, RazeSoldier, Jayprakash12345, Th3d3v1ls, JakeTheDeveloper, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, merbst, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, Maathavan, TerraCodes, _jensen, D3r1ck01, MuhammadShuaib, SimmeD, Wikidata-bugs, aude, TheDJ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-07 Thread GerardM
GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
The code phn is reserved for the Phoenician language. However, it is not
written in the Latin script. Consequently the question why it should be
accepted in the Latin script is real. What is the point?
Thanks,

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2019-01-07 Thread Lydia_Pintscher
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Let me try to summarize to make sure I get it right: We have the language code phn which should be reserved for Phoenician script. We do want to enter it Latin script. There is a code for it (phn-Latn).
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-06-08 Thread GerardM
GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
I understand the purpose of Phoenician in Phoenician. Having it in the
Latin script makes no sense to me at all
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-06-07 Thread PKM
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FWIW, that data I propose to enter is Phoenician in Latin script.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331, PKMCc: thiemowmde, VladimirAlexiev, gerritbot, Esc3300, PKM, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Asad_Ali_Palijo, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Soteriaspace, RazeSoldier, Jayprakash12345, Th3d3v1ls, JakeTheDeveloper, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Zoranzoki21, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, Maathavan, TerraCodes, MuhammadShuaib, SimmeD, Wikidata-bugs, aude, TheDJ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-06-06 Thread VladimirAlexiev
VladimirAlexiev added a comment.
phn means "Phoenician in Phoenician script" but the example given is in Latin script, thus it is phn-Latn.

If Wikidata doesn't make such distinction, add the code phn but I believe open a separate ticket for Script support.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331, VladimirAlexievCc: thiemowmde, VladimirAlexiev, gerritbot, Esc3300, PKM, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Asad_Ali_Palijo, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Soteriaspace, RazeSoldier, Jayprakash12345, Th3d3v1ls, JakeTheDeveloper, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Zoranzoki21, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, Maathavan, TerraCodes, MuhammadShuaib, SimmeD, Wikidata-bugs, aude, TheDJ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-06-06 Thread thiemowmde
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@VladimirAlexiev, can you please clarify what your comment means in the context of this ticket? Are you opposing the addition of the language code "phn"?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331, thiemowmdeCc: thiemowmde, VladimirAlexiev, gerritbot, Esc3300, PKM, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Asad_Ali_Palijo, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Bsandipan, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Soteriaspace, RazeSoldier, Jayprakash12345, Th3d3v1ls, JakeTheDeveloper, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Zoranzoki21, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, Maathavan, TerraCodes, MuhammadShuaib, SimmeD, Wikidata-bugs, aude, TheDJ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-19 Thread VladimirAlexiev
VladimirAlexiev added a comment.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Phoenician_language: according to the IANA lang tag list,  the default script for this language is "Phnx" Phoenician but the example there is given in Latin transcription so shoul de denoted like "gadir"@phn-Latn.


To capture this, I believe you should register a lang tag phn-Latn with name eg "Phoenician (Latin transcription)".
The tag phn should be used only if you install Phoenician script (alphabet) in the language tools; and somehow direct the user to select "Phoenician (Latin transcription)" if
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-18 Thread gerritbot
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Change 427434 had a related patch set uploaded (by Mbch331; owner: Mbch331):
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add monolingual code phn (Phoenician)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-16 Thread GerardM
GerardM added a comment.
Hoi,
There is no problem with this language. It is not a macro language. Go with it.. PS it does use the Phoenician script..  Maybe that needs inclusion in the language tools but that is no prerequisite.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-16 Thread PKM
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@Esc3300 ... for the property to be created,  or the names?  I have every intention of adding the names myself.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PKMCc: Esc3300, PKM, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, Asad_Ali_Palijo, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Soteriaspace, RazeSoldier, Jayprakash12345, JakeTheDeveloper, QZanden, Zoranzoki21, LawExplorer, TerraCodes, MuhammadShuaib, Luke081515, SimmeD, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Shizhao, TheDJ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-16 Thread Esc3300
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2018-04-16 Thread PKM
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Comment: Each of the ~68 cities listed in the enwiki article List of Phoenician cities would benefit from a  in language=phn statement.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PKMCc: PKM, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, Asad_Ali_Palijo, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Soteriaspace, RazeSoldier, Jayprakash12345, JakeTheDeveloper, QZanden, Zoranzoki21, LawExplorer, TerraCodes, MuhammadShuaib, Luke081515, SimmeD, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Shizhao, TheDJ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2017-08-03 Thread Mbch331
Mbch331 added a comment.Herald added a subscriber: PokestarFan.
@GerardM @jhsoby Can one of you give the official opinion of the Lang com?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155425EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Mbch331Cc: Mbch331, PokestarFan, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, GerardM, Aklapper, Bugreporter, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician)

2017-05-05 Thread Lydia_Pintscher
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