[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
Aklapper added a comment. @SandraF_WMF: Hi! This task has been assigned to you a while ago. Could you maybe share an update? Do you still plan to work on this task? Thanks! :) TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: SandraF_WMF, Aklapper Cc: Jdforrester-WMF, Pigsonthewing, Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, CBogen, Antti.Kekki, darthmon_wmde, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, Chicocvenancio, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
Fuzheado added a comment. In T173346#4677091, @SandraF_WMF wrote: In T173346#4661116, @Jheald wrote: (ii) the ability to offer IIIF access to a particular revision of an image -- because any subsequent cropping or rotation or rescaling by a Commons user, however well-intentioned, would totally throw out the pixel-referenced georeferencing data. Agree. On Commons I've also seen way too many crops of the edges of historical or artistic photographs, and overwrites with very different images... we need the ability to (persistently) point to a specific revision of a file. This is the strongest argument yet for more cooperation with IIIF who have figured most of these things out, showing that our use of Commons annotations and Wikidata relative coordinates are quite behind the times.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMF, FuzheadoCc: Jdforrester-WMF, Pigsonthewing, Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, D3r1ck01, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
SandraF_WMF added a comment. In T173346#4661116, @Jheald wrote: (ii) the ability to offer IIIF access to a particular revision of an image -- because any subsequent cropping or rotation or rescaling by a Commons user, however well-intentioned, would totally throw out the pixel-referenced georeferencing data. Agree. On Commons I've also seen way too many crops of the edges of historical or artistic photographs, and overwrites with very different images... we need the ability to (persistently) point to a specific revision of a file.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMFCc: Jdforrester-WMF, Pigsonthewing, Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
SandraF_WMF added a comment. Thanks James. It is extremely helpful and useful for us to know that this request has come up. In order to be able to make the case for core IIIF support in the future, we need plenty of evidence that this is a real need. It's telling that even a major GLAM in a country with relatively good cultural funding, like the UK (I assume?) expresses this request, and I would be interested to know about concrete cases from GLAMs in less-resourced countries. In T173346#4661116, @Jheald wrote: Not sure if this is the right ticket for this information, but I'd like to note strong interest on two different occasions from two different people in the last month in a top-tier GLAM that I'm working with, about the possibility of being able to use Commons as an IIIF hosting service for high-resolution images, eg for serving tiles of old maps for geo-referencing to platforms that need to be able to access images from an IIIF service. The GLAM is quite strapped for cash (or, at least, the relevant departments are), and they can get a much more affordable deal from the georeferencing platform if they can arrange their own image hosting, rather than having to copy all their images to the georeferencing company. If we could offer this, that would significantly strengthen the business case within the GLAM for releasing best-quality high-resolution versions of their images to WikiCommons, rather than lower-resolution degraded versions -- a subject of significant current discussion and dispute within the organisation. A couple of pre-requisites for this would be (i) the ability to offer a stable and fast IIIF service with strong reliability, and (ii) the ability to offer IIIF access to a particular revision of an image -- because any subsequent cropping or rotation or rescaling by a Commons user, however well-intentioned, would totally throw out the pixel-referenced georeferencing data. BTW, I note that the current pilot service appears to be down again T206260, and has suffered from recurrent corruption problems T194956. I know that, myself, I have not been able to use zoom-viewer for any of the large old maps that I recently uploaded (example, example2), which doesn't help in showing off what I hope we would be able to offer. TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMFCc: Jdforrester-WMF, Pigsonthewing, Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
SandraF_WMF added a comment. As I am working on a bit of on-wiki documentation anyway, I have taken the freedom to rearrange the page on Commons about IIIF a bit, to make it more digestable (I hope) to people new to IIIF and to non-Wikimedians. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:International_Image_Interoperability_Framework Of course, feel free to modify anything!TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMFCc: Jdforrester-WMF, Pigsonthewing, Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Aschroet, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
Abit added a comment. Would it be possible for you to take up from that, and add a bit more detail re possibilities with structured data, and for perhaps creating IIIF-friendly manifests with annotations ? @brion is currently investigating if/how we could make Commons media compatible with the IIIF presentation layer, and will be sharing his work on this call as well.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMF, AbitCc: Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Aschroet, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
Jheald added a comment. Thanks @SandraF_WMF . I've started putting together some links at :c:User:Jheald/IIIF_180815 that I or Andy Mabbett could talk through, to give an idea of what sort of IIIF interaction is possible at the moment. Would it be possible for you to take up from that, and add a bit more detail re possibilities with structured data, and for perhaps creating IIIF-friendly manifests with annotations ?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMF, JhealdCc: Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Aschroet, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
SandraF_WMF added a comment. Thanks for the heads-up, @Jheald - I can attend the meeting and have also alerted some colleagues to it! At least one agenda item I'd like to put forward is: suggestions on how to let both communities communicate better (in a way that is not scattered, as is the case today, and so that the conversations can be found easily). In T173346#4497764, @Jheald wrote: A heads-up that "Wikipedia and IIIF" is the proposed subject for the IIIF community call this week -- see https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/iiif-discuss/wy2uRl_ukJ0 The IIIF community call is a one-hour conference call on Zoom (people can also dial in by telephone), that happens once every two weeks, with either a technical or a community focus -- see https://iiif.io/community/call/ . This call will be in two days time, on Wednesday, the 15th of August, at mid-day Eastern time (ie 5pm London time, 6pm CET). The scope will include all Wikimedia platforms (ie Commons, Wikidata, etc), and presentations can be included by prior arrangement. It might be good if someone from the structured data team could listen in, and perhaps present the team's thoughts for upcoming IIIF-compatible and accessible annotations (@SandraF_WMF ?) TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMFCc: Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Aschroet, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T173346: Implement IIIF support on Wikimedia Commons in relation with Structured Data on Commons
Jheald added a comment. A heads-up that "Wikipedia and IIIF" is the proposed subject for the IIIF community call this week -- see https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/iiif-discuss/wy2uRl_ukJ0 The IIIF community call is a one-hour conference call on Zoom (people can also dial in by telephone), that happens once every two weeks, with either a technical or a community focus -- see https://iiif.io/community/call/ . This call will be in two days time, on Wednesday, the 15th of August, at mid-day Eastern time (ie 5pm London time, 6pm CET). The scope will include all Wikimedia platforms (ie Commons, Wikidata, etc), and presentations can be included by prior arrangement. It might be good if someone from the structured data team could listen in, and perhaps present the team's thoughts for upcoming IIIF-compatible and accessible annotations (@SandraF_WMF ?)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173346EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: SandraF_WMF, JhealdCc: Dodeeric, Jheald, Puik, Susannaanas, Fuzheado, Keegan, Ainali, Ramsey-WMF, Swiss-National-Library, BeatEstermann, YULdigitalpreservation, brion, Sadads, Abit, SandraF_WMF, Aklapper, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Orienteerix, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Aschroet, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Ricordisamoa, Lydia_Pintscher, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Nikerabbit, Steinsplitter, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
