[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T203557: Create a Edit group extension
Pintoch added a comment. I thought for a moment that there was an issue with the fact that at the moment, filtering by tags only works for Special:RecentChanges (which only contain the most recent changes, not all of them). But Lucas pointed out that it is also supported by Special:Contributions, which is uncapped in time. EditGroups currently assumes that all edits in a given group are made by the same user, which I think makes sense as a constraint. So, in the current situation, if you had an edit group which corresponded to a single tag, it would be possible to retrieve all edits in it via Special:Contributions (assuming you know the user in the first place). This suggests that an approach along the lines of what Lucas describes above is viable. Perhaps "sub-tags" should be attached to a parent user rather than a parent tag (or possibly both) given this observation. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Pintoch Cc: Abit, Ramsey-WMF, Jony, Lydia_Pintscher, JeanFred, LucasWerkmeister, Pintoch, Framawiki, Aklapper, Bugreporter, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Susannaanas, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Dinoguy1000, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Mbch331, Jay8g ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T203557: Create a Edit group extension
Pintoch added a comment. Great point! I did not think about that in this way. It sounds like a very sensible route to follow. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Pintoch Cc: Abit, Ramsey-WMF, Jony, Lydia_Pintscher, JeanFred, LucasWerkmeister, Pintoch, Framawiki, Aklapper, Bugreporter, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Susannaanas, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Dinoguy1000, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Mbch331, Jay8g ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T203557: Create a Edit group extension
Pintoch added a comment. Sure, I hope you don't mind us having this discussion here anyway, since this is still at a very early stage. (unless you are already planning to work on this exact architecture?) TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Pintoch Cc: Abit, Ramsey-WMF, Jony, Lydia_Pintscher, JeanFred, LucasWerkmeister, Pintoch, Framawiki, Aklapper, Bugreporter, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Susannaanas, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Dinoguy1000, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Mbch331, Jay8g ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T203557: Create a Edit group extension
Bugreporter added a comment. In my task description, The extension only records edits. Rollback feature will be provided by an external tool. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Bugreporter Cc: Abit, Ramsey-WMF, Jony, Lydia_Pintscher, JeanFred, LucasWerkmeister, Pintoch, Framawiki, Aklapper, Bugreporter, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Susannaanas, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Dinoguy1000, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Mbch331, Jay8g ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T203557: Create a Edit group extension
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. That makes sense. Thanks. I don't know the answer to your questions unfortunately. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Abit, Ramsey-WMF, Jony, Lydia_Pintscher, JeanFred, LucasWerkmeister, Pintoch, Framawiki, Aklapper, Bugreporter, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Susannaanas, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Dinoguy1000, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Mbch331, Jay8g ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T203557: Create a Edit group extension
Pintoch added a comment. Here are a few issues with the current tool: - If the tool goes down, this creates millions of dead links in edit summaries (which cannot be changed). Users who ran batches with the assumption that they could be undone if something goes wrong find themselves having to clean things up manually. - As a user, I can easily game EditGroups by imitating the edit summary of any tool, attributing edits to batches they are not actually part of (there are some protections against this, but they are not fully bullet-proof. For instance an edit will only be added to a batch if it was made under the account of the user who first created the batch) - Bot/tool authors are reluctant to add grouping support for their bots since EditGroups is not officially part of the Wikidata infrastructure. The community is unlikely to systematically enforce edit grouping in requests for bot approvals as long as it relies on an external tool, which does not come with any sustainability guarantees, SLA, etc. - Reverting relies on OAuth, and OAuth tokens can expire while a large edit group is being reverted. That being said, I am still not sure if all of EditGroups' functionality can reasonably be hoped to be supported in a MediaWiki extension directly: is it doable to have long-running tasks to undo a batch of edits? We do have Special:Nuke which deletes many pages at once, but this is done synchronously, the number of pages affected might be capped? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203557 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Pintoch Cc: Abit, Ramsey-WMF, Jony, Lydia_Pintscher, JeanFred, LucasWerkmeister, Pintoch, Framawiki, Aklapper, Bugreporter, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, JKSTNK, Lahi, PDrouin-WMF, Gq86, E1presidente, Cparle, Anooprao, SandraF_WMF, GoranSMilovanovic, Jayprakash12345, QZanden, Tramullas, Acer, LawExplorer, Salgo60, Silverfish, _jensen, rosalieper, Susannaanas, Jane023, Wikidata-bugs, Base, matthiasmullie, aude, Dinoguy1000, Ricordisamoa, Wesalius, Fabrice_Florin, Raymond, Steinsplitter, Mbch331, Jay8g ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
