[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T230862: Create a way to filter only WB-related changes from Commons recentchanges

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  Change 544873 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/core@master] Add 'slot' param for recentchanges API query
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/544873

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  Change 538249 abandoned by Cparle:
  Add a tag to recentchanges that touch MediaInfo data
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/538249

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  Change 544873 had a related patch set uploaded (by Anomie; owner: Cparle):
  [mediawiki/core@master] Add 'slotId' param for recentchanges API query
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/544873

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T230862: Create a way to filter only WB-related changes from Commons recentchanges

[Marostegui]

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  In T230862#5538510 , 
@Anomie wrote:
  
  > Using tags has the advantage of more directly identifying the relevant 
revisions, //if// the planner decides that gathering all revisions with the tag 
then filtering by which are in RC (and probably filesorting) is a better plan 
than taking rows from RC (in order) and filtering by which have the tag. The 
equivalent querying the slots table is much less likely to be workable since it 
would have to fetch all revisions with the slot rather than all revisions 
actually changing the slot. On the other hand, I'm skeptical that long-term 
there would be few enough revisions so tagged that the tag-first plan would 
actually be better.
  > If the planner is going with an RC-first plan, then it seems unlikely to 
matter much whether it filters by joining `change_tag` or joining `slots`. 
There's no always-good option here, and the maybe-bad parts are the same for 
both.
  > Personally I'd lean against adding lots of rows to `change_tag`, which will 
be visible in various UIs, if the only use case is filtering on slots edited. 
Using a wider index (bigint+bigint+smallint rather than big 
​int+int) for a filtering-join seems 
less troublesome than adding more to an already-tall table. But you might want 
to ask the DBAs for their opinion.
  
  I agree with Brad. 
  Once this is finally release, we do have to keep a close eye on the optimizer 
for the first iterations, as I am worried that it will decide to use the wrong 
index/plan we we can end up scanning LOTS of rows.
  The good thing is that we can test this on 10.1 and on 10.3.

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[Anomie]

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  Using tags has the advantage of more directly identifying the relevant 
revisions, //if// the planner decides that gathering all revisions with the tag 
then filtering by which are in RC (and probably filesorting) is a better plan 
than taking rows from RC (in order) and filtering by which have the tag. The 
equivalent querying the slots table is much less likely to be workable since it 
would have to fetch all revisions with the slot rather than all revisions 
actually changing the slot. On the other hand, I'm skeptical that long-term 
there would be few enough revisions so tagged that the tag-first plan would 
actually be better.
  
  If the planner is going with an RC-first plan, then it seems unlikely to 
matter much whether it filters by joining `change_tag` or joining `slots`. 
There's no always-good option here, and the maybe-bad parts are the same for 
both.
  
  Personally I'd lean against adding lots of rows to `change_tag`, which will 
be visible in various UIs, if the only use case is filtering on slots edited. 
Using a wider index (bigint+bigint+smallint rather than big 
​int+int) for a filtering-join seems 
less troublesome than adding more to an already-tall table. But you might want 
to ask the DBAs for their opinion.

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Gaboe420, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Amorymeltzer, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, 
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[Cparle]

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  @Anomie @Tgr perhaps there's a way to always tag with the slot name, if an 
edit is not to the main slot? Would that be preferable to adding joins to the 
RC queries?

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  (FWIW the answer is "no", and CPT *wants it done* in a generic fashion - they 
haven't actually volunteered to do it)

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  So ... if the CPT is going to do this in a generic fashion instead of it 
being done in MediaInfo, can I remove the `Structured Data` tags?

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[Tgr]

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  In T230862#5503781 , 
@Cparle wrote:
  
  > So say we add a 'structured-data-mediainfo' tag to every revision that has 
a `mediainfo` slot - would that be adequate? @EBernhardson ?
  
  Given that this is a functionality that will be needed for pretty much every 
new MCR role, maybe worth the effort to come up with a generic solution instead 
of having to work twice?

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  Change 538249 had a related patch set uploaded (by Cparle; owner: Cparle):
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseMediaInfo@master] Add a tag to recentchanges 
that touch MediaInfo data
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/538249

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[EBernhardson]

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  Indeed I've completely mixed the two, sorry for confusion!

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  I started writing a patch for this, but got stuck trying to get mw vagrant 
back into working order. In this patch MediaInfo essentially always provides 
its fields to the NS_FILE namespace, but when no mediainfo is present it 
provides appropriate empty values.  I'm not clear on what tagging the revision 
would do, I assume that must trigger some other process? I've uploaded the 
patch as is, but I've been unable to test this.

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  Change 538066 had a related patch set uploaded (by EBernhardson; owner: 
EBernhardson):
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseMediaInfo@master] Always report indexable 
fields on NS_FILE
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/538066

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  In T230862#5503781 , 
@Cparle wrote:
  
  > So say we add a 'structured-data-mediainfo' tag to every revision that has 
a `mediainfo` slot - would that be adequate? @EBernhardson ?
  
  I assume this means every edit that changes mediainfo, not every revision 
that has mediainfo.

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[Anomie]

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  In T230862#5443759 , @Tgr 
wrote:
  
  > I think it's worth revisiting, and there was unanimous agreement on that at 
last TechConf's relevant session 
.
  
  When I look at the minutes at that link I see very little discussion of 
containers at all, and mostly in the context of large farms rather than 
individual installs.

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[Tgr]

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  In T230862#5443414 , 
@Anomie wrote:
  
  > That has been proposed and opposed by various people for a long time.
  
  I think it's worth revisiting, and there was unanimous agreement on that at 
last TechConf's relevant session 
.
 It's probably a conversation better left to another task, though (my bad for 
derailing) - for now, the filter has to deal with SQL as @Smalyshev says.

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[Anomie]

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  In T230862#5443345 , @Tgr 
wrote:
  
  > IMO we'll have to bite that bullet at some point and change MediaWiki from 
a PHP-based application to a container-based one, so we can package 
ElasticSearch, Node.js, BlazeGraph, Lua etc. with it. (I'm hoping to start some 
conversation about that at TechConf which seems thematically well-aligned.) And 
yeah, recentchanges is fundamentally poorly suited to being in SQL.
  
  That has been proposed and opposed by various people for a long time. Being a 
container-based application limits you to whatever the container-maker 
includes, and limits you to environments where you can use a container in the 
first place. I believe one reason MediaWiki is so popular is because it's easy 
to get started on any generic LAMP stack (and several variations as well).

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[Smalyshev]

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  RecentChanges has many flaws (for example, it is not a reliable stream as 
timestamps are not sequential and it can't be queried by RC ID - see 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/302368) but it is the only 
way to get change stream for a wiki without setting up Kafka, etc. as I 
understand. So I imagine until we get containers with all that stuff working 
we're stuck with RC as the only option to get changes in public.

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[Tgr]

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  In T230862#5442416 , 
@Anomie wrote:
  
  > OTOH, that would break it for any MediaWiki wikis not using Elastic...
  
  IMO we'll have to bite that bullet at some point and change MediaWiki from a 
PHP-based application to a container-based one, so we can package 
ElasticSearch, Node.js, BlazeGraph, Lua etc. with it. (I'm hoping to start some 
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[Anomie]

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  In T230862#5427914 , 
@daniel wrote:
  
  > Perhaps the recentchanges system should be migrated to Elastic, that would 
help with a lot of things :)
  
  OTOH, that would break it for any MediaWiki wikis not using Elastic...
  
  In T230862#5429178 , @Tgr 
wrote:
  
  > In theory it would be something like `recentchanges JOIN revision ON 
rc_this_oldid = rev_id JOIN slots ON slot_revision_id = rev_id AND slot_role_id 
= whatever AND slot_origin = rev_id`. Except slot_origin is not used 
consistently that way; this would miss rollbacks, for example.
  
  We'd also have to watch whether that query runs efficiently enough.
  
  BTW, I think you could simplify that: `recentchanges JOIN slots ON 
slot_revision_id = rc_this_oldid AND slot_role_id = whatever AND slot_origin = 
rc_this_oldid`

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  In theory it would be something like `recentchanges JOIN revision ON 
rc_this_oldid = rev_id JOIN slots ON slot_revision_id = rev_id AND slot_role_id 
= whatever AND slot_origin = rev_id`. Except slot_origin is not used 
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  Tags should work, at least for now, I think, if I can filter by tag 
efficiently. There's not a lot of data edits so far, compared to overall 
Commons edit volume.
  
  Eventually, I'd like to be able to select all edits that touch particular 
slot (even if it also touches other slots) but from what I see in recentchanges 
table I am not sure it's possible without changing the table structure. Please 
correct me if I'm wrong and there's a way.

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