[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Jc3s5h added a comment. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982#1524674, @Ricordisamoa wrote: > In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982#1524580, @Jc3s5h wrote: > > > I see no mention in the Wikipedia article of an ability to provide a > > negative superscript. This is highly desirable for writing units. > > > SUPERSCRIPT MINUS (U+207B)? I have no success entering any of these superscript numbers on my Windows 8.1 computer with Firefox. Also, using the Microsoft Charmap program, I am unable to find any font that includes the superscript minus. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher, Jc3s5h Cc: Jc3s5h, Yair_rand, Micru, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Ricordisamoa added a comment. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982#1524580, @Jc3s5h wrote: > I see no mention in the Wikipedia article of an ability to provide a negative > superscript. This is highly desirable for writing units. SUPERSCRIPT MINUS (U+207B)? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher, Ricordisamoa Cc: Jc3s5h, Yair_rand, Micru, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Jc3s5h added a comment. In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982#1524501, @daniel wrote in part: > > 2. For the common subscripts and superscripts, there are unicode characters > that can be used, see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_subscripts_and_superscripts. For units > we'll mostly need U+00B2 (superscript 2) and U+00B3 (superscript 3). Square > meter would be written as m². I see no mention in the Wikipedia article of an ability to provide a negative superscript. This is highly desirable for writing units. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher, Jc3s5h Cc: Jc3s5h, Yair_rand, Micru, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
daniel added a comment. @Jc3s5h 1. Unit symbols are not "all languages". While many countries/languages use the standard km/h, America uses KPH, and Russia uses км/ч. But I agree that an "other languages" fallback would be nice, using English for that (as MediaWiki does) isn't really great. 2. For the common subscripts and superscripts, there are unicode characters that can be used, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_subscripts_and_superscripts. For units we'll mostly need U+00B2 (superscript 2) and U+00B3 (superscript 3). Square meter would be written as m². TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher, daniel Cc: Jc3s5h, Yair_rand, Micru, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Snipre added a comment. @Snaterlicious. If you take account of the uncertainty, the copy-paste is not more so important: value + uncertainty + unit, I don't know if any copy-paste will respect the same interval between the different elements, if the symbol for uncertainty will be recognized, do we need to handle the scientific notation, TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre Cc: Jc3s5h, Yair_rand, Micru, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Malyacko ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Snaterlicious added a comment. - No proper copy-pasting which is a big disadvantage for things like such. - It is quite natural to type a string that contains value and unit. Two input elements instead of where one would be natural is irritating. Placeholders would ease the situation a bit, but the need to tab between inputs for something that is normally typed in one go is kind of awkward. - Being aware about form/page navigation using the TAB button involves a certain degree of expertise. - Contradicting to natural position of some units, e.g. $10 vs. 10$. In my opinion, it is such disadvantages and awkward interaction that repels potential contributors right from the start. Deciding on implementing an interface exclusively based on an unit selector would support giving such an impression once again by adding to the pile. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher, Snaterlicious Cc: Yair_rand, Micru, Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Malyacko, P.Copp ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. @snaterlicious: Can you please clarify where you see interaction issues with a unit selector? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Ricordisamoa, Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T77982: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget
Snaterlicious added a comment. I am not perfectly sure what is expected on that from my side. 1. I am pretty sure there is a need for some kind of dedicated unit selector (although I am pretty sure it should not be a default interaction element). 2. The decision on whether to implement basic functionality fast without solving interaction concerns or whether to iterate an interaction vision first and then implement accordingly is up to PM. Personal comment: I totally understand the temptation to implement the functionality right away and such has been common practice ever since the Wikidata project started. However, in my opinion, most of the time, this led to unforeseen consequences, strange interaction behaviour, user complaints when changing the interaction later or simply deferring proper interaction implementation to "when there is time" (never) and/or so on. Consequently, I will decline the decision to do both in parallel since an interaction concept will not be installed later on (at least not in the near future) as it has been in the past. Decision is up to PM. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982 REPLY HANDLER ACTIONS Reply to comment or attach files, or !close, !claim, !unsubscribe or !assign . EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Snaterlicious Cc: Bene, Lydia_Pintscher, Snipre, thiemowmde, Tobi_WMDE_SW, adrianheine, Snaterlicious, Aklapper, daniel, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
