[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2016-10-26 Thread Mhurd
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Related: Android Wikidata description editing ticket:
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2016-08-15 Thread JMinor
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2015-06-19 Thread Vibhabamba
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@Jkatz and I chatted about the case where users paste the first two sentences 
as a description.
We should think about handling this case. 
In the case where the user reads all these 3, there is a fair bit of repetition.

Rationale:

1. First the use reads the search results
2. Then he scans the description
3. Then he reads the lead section.

This way the same content gets repeated 3 times instead of twice.

F181214: LongDescriptions_2.jpg https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F181214
F181216: LongDescriptions.jpg https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F181216


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2015-06-17 Thread Yair_rand
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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90765#1366492, @aude wrote:

 how common are these instructions in wikidata?  I realize the items for 
 male and female have them, but then they have no site links 
 (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6581097) so think would never appear in the 
 wikipedia app.


My guess would be at least a couple dozen with sitelinks. People have been 
using descriptions to prevent mistaken uses of the instance-of property. For 
example, person (Q215627) has a note pointing editors to Q5 for instance-of 
uses.

In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90765#1357678, @Mhurd wrote:

 If description is overloaded to also contain internal usage notes following 
 some delimiter, we now not only have to strip these notes out in every single 
 place the description needs to be displayed (already half a dozen places in 
 the apps alone), but we //also// then have to strip the internal usage notes 
 and delimiter out when a user edits the actual description, and we'd have to 
 re-add the internal usage note and delimiter *back* in when we saves the 
 description - otherwise editing would destroy the internal usage note.

 Presuming all of that, say a pre-existing note of, oh, 200 characters already 
 exists - this means when we present the editing interface, we actually only 
 have //56// characters which the user can use for a description. Say the 
 internal usage note is 256 chars - this means we //cannot// have a 
 description *at all*.


I don't follow. Why not just set the character limit to 256 minus the number of 
characters used by the usage note? I think it's reasonable to assume that that 
will be enough space.


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2015-06-15 Thread aude
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how common are these instructions in wikidata?  I realize the items for 
male and female have them, but then they have no site links 
(https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6581097) so think would never appear in the 
wikipedia app.


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2015-06-15 Thread aude
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also, I notice (at least in android), we don't show descriptions if they are 
too long (more than two lines).  Not sure how we would handle them with editing 
(maybe show, but truncate with ...). If editing / adding is possible then I 
think it's important to show something (the fact that there is a description)


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2015-06-15 Thread JKatzWMF
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@mhurd @Lydia_Pintscher thanks for the heads up--this is a great example of why 
we do not overload fields in a database and why wikidata should strongly 
reconsider adding a separate field for instructions if they feel it is 
necessary.


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2015-06-11 Thread Mhurd
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Screenshot of the abuse filter message received when trying to enter an 
expletive for a description:
F177947: Screen Shot 2015-06-11 at 8.09.09 AM.png 
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2015-06-11 Thread Vibhabamba
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Mobile Web Related Tickets:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101719
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94713


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2015-06-11 Thread Vibhabamba
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The 'Write Description' interface needs to be mention the license under which 
the reader is submitting the contribution.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2015-06-11 Thread Mhurd
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@Lydia_Pintscher

Upon further reflection I actually think we actually //can't// do description 
editing if Wikidata overloads the description field with a delimiter to 
accommodate the internal usage notes :(

Here's why:

We know the field has some size limit, for the sake of argument say 256 
characters.

If description is overloaded to also contain internal usage notes following 
some delimiter, we now not only have to strip these notes out in every single 
place the description needs to be displayed (already half a dozen places in the 
apps alone), but we //also// then have to strip the internal usage notes and 
delimiter out when a user edits the actual description, and we'd have to re-add 
the internal usage note and delimiter *back* in when we saves the description - 
otherwise editing would destroy the internal usage note.

Presuming all of that, say a pre-existing note of, oh, 200 characters already 
exists - this means when we present the editing interface, we actually only 
have //56// characters which the user can use for a description. Say the 
internal usage note is 256 chars - this means we //cannot// have a description 
*at all*.

Does this make sense?


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@vibhabamba @JkatzWMF ^


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2015-06-11 Thread Vibhabamba
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F177952: Screen Shot 2015-06-11 at 8.20.42 AM.png 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F177952
This is what appears in the edit history of the page.


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2015-06-04 Thread JKatzWMF
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@vibhabamba @mhurd

@deskana stole my thunder on specialized edit tags (essential for tracking 
quality) and community engagement.  I guess it was his thunder to begin with...

Other essentials:

- what about protected articles?  They are not necessarily protected on 
wikidata--I would hate to see Barack's page get vandalized and have nobody fix 
it because our most active community only looks on desktop.
- small % rollout + kill switch
- more relatable example
- abuse filter documentation
- do we have validation criteria?  Might need character limit and cut-off rules.

Not a blocker

- It would be great if we could somehow pull an example from something in the 
same 'category'.  By this I mean with the same wikidata 'instance of' property 
value.  If instance of = human, then we might even pull 'occupation'.  That way 
looking up a painter would show you an example from another painter.  If there 
isn't anything with a description, then we could rely on a default.   I don't 
see this as a blocker for a % rollout with a kill-switch.

What not to worry about:

- I don't think we should worry about specific instructions and criteria at 
this stage.  This belongs to the community to decide and currently the variety 
is one of the coolest things about descriptions.
- I don't think we need to be concerned with edit wars yet--casual users wont 
notice if it gets reverted, experienced users will know what to do.  Let's see 
how it plays out...




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2015-06-02 Thread aude
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somewhere / somehow, it should be mentioned that their contributions to 
Wikidata (via the app) are CC-0 license.


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2015-06-02 Thread Mhurd
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@deskana @aude good points! :)


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2015-06-02 Thread Mhurd
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Note that there is a functional work-in-progess patch here: 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/215074/


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2015-06-02 Thread Deskana
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Some friendly suggestions:

- Consider adding a specialised tag for edits to the Wikidata description. That 
way, edits to descriptions via the app could be easily tracked and curated on 
Wikidata.
- It's possible that the existing tag is enough: 
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangestagfilter=mobile+app+edit
- When this is being rolled out or tested, this should be socialised to the 
Wikidata community so they're aware of it.
- You can use this tag to perform quantitative analysis of how many of the 
description additions were reverted. This hard numerical evidence can be used 
to evaluate the success of the feature.


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2015-06-01 Thread Qgil
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This feature was developed as a prototype but it is still not implemented in 
production, correct?


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2015-06-01 Thread Mhurd
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@vibhabamba - if you have time, lets chat about some of the UX stuff we 
mentioned during the showcase meeting. i.e. making it easier to see first 
paragraph when editing descrips - turns out it's actually really tricky as the 
keyboard comes up leaving you with very little room... also can be confusing if 
you see too much clutter - i.e. the editing interface + keyboard + first 
paragraph... hmm...


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2015-06-01 Thread Vibhabamba
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**Notes for Design Iteration:**
Call to action/Icon needs iteration

**Product Deliberations:**
List wikidata and other abuse/vandalism filters employed (Even though Wikidata 
has this, its important for the team to know what filters we are running )
Using a more universal example that applies to a larger category 
(Place/person/event) might be bit more useful to users
@jkatz to add productizing/research comments

**Communications:**
This is a low barrier to entry edit funnel. We *could* socializing the feature 
if we don't see vandalism after a test period.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2015-06-01 Thread Vibhabamba
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@Mhurd agree about too much going on if we display it all at the same time.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T90765: Hacking: Make app Wikidata description editable

2015-05-25 Thread Mhurd
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an edit pencil now appears to the right of the article title
F169024: Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 4.10.29 PM.png 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F169024

when tapped, an interface now appears for editing article description
F169026: Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 4.10.56 PM.png 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F169026

enter a description, then tap save
F169028: Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 4.11.01 PM.png 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F169028

now the article has a description, and if you were logged in the edit is 
properly attributed!
F169030: Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 4.11.09 PM.png 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F169030

search can now use the new description too
F169032: Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 4.11.19 PM.png 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F169032


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