[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...- allow Wikitionaries (and other sister projects) to query directly the instance The instance would NOT aim at: - incorporate grammatical paradigms (each definition might be linked to one or several lexical items, itself linked to zero or several example of use, but inflections should not be part of the model) TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTIONAlthough Wikidata already provides a way to carry some lexicological data through the Lexeme extension, we lake the possibility to import existing definitional material from wiktionaries into a relational database queryable from all wikimedia projects. NOTE: Wikitionaries are CC-BY-SA licensed so importing its definitions into Wikidata is not permitted by the license. This ticket is oriented toward its aim of a distinct Wikibase instance to store definitions taken from Wikitionaries, it is not a place to discuss Wikidata license policy, thank you in advance for staying focus. The asked Wikibase instance aims the following features:...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...The asked Wikibase instance would aim at:aims the following features: - allow to import definitions from Wiktionaries...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTIONAlthough Wikidata already provides a way to carry some lexicological data through the Lexeme extension, we lake the possibility to import existing definitional material from wiktionaries into a relational database queryable from all wikimedia projectsTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...- allow to import Wikdefinitionaries definitionss from Wiktionaries - allow to link each definition to samples of use (including text quote of course, but also links to media on Commons for audio records, video of signed languages and so on, media should be associated to a textual transcription)...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTIONAlthough Wikidata already provides a way to carry some lexicological data through the Lexeme extension, we lake the possibility to import existing definitional material from wiktionaries into a relational database queryable from wiktionariesTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...- allow to link definition to samples of use (including links to media for audio records, video of signed languages and so on, media should be associated to a textual transcription)...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTIONAlthough Wikidata already provides a way to carry some lexicological data through the Lexeme extension, we lake the possibility to import definitional material into a relational database queryable from wiktionariesTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTION...- allow Wikitionaryto edit items through an API that ease contributions with external tools such as a toolforge service (this would probably be a huge plus in term of new contributor attraction as currently editing Wiktionaries is difficult for newcomers with many implicit structures) - allow Wikitionaries (and other sister projects) to query directly the instance TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T204713: Provide a Wikibase instance where we can import Wikitionaries materials and that can be queried from Wiktionaries
Psychoslave updated the task description. (Show Details) CHANGES TO TASK DESCRIPTIONAlthough Wikidata already provide a way to carry some lexicological data through the Lexeme extension, we lake the possibility to import definitional material into a relational database queryable from wiktionaries. As an example of the limit that it brings, I proposed to create glossaries in Wikitionary. One way to do it would be to use external bots that browse lexical categories, grab matching definitions (if tagged in the article) and generate distinct pages.The asked Wikibase instance would aim at: As Lua modules doesn't allow to fetch a list of element in a category, it's not possible to do that through this feature, and it would probably be too resource consuming anyway. What would be possible is parsing all articles and put their definition into data modules. That would at least make a scenario where this data would be easily providable for in-wiki consumption in various cases, potentially avoiding data duplication, as well as for external queries as the module could generate various output format. Thus said- allow to import Wiktionaries definitions - there is no garantee that the current community would like to use this data modules, there might propose to delete the transformed materialallow to link definition to samples of use (including media for audio records, just ignore it and recommand to not use it within the main spacevideo of signed languages and so on, just as well as embrace and migrate massively to such an approachmedia should be associated to a textual transcription) - a dedicated UX should enable to edit data modules without editing the LSON, maybe OOUI might help here, this would probably be a huge plus in term of new contributor attraction as currently editing Wiktionaries is difficult for newcomers with many implicit structures- allow to translate definitions (and transcriptions where relevant) - it doesn't allow data sharing across linguistic version The first point won't change whether the data are stored within a data module or in an external Wikibase instace. The latter point however can't currently be solved with data modules, as crosswiki call sare currently impossible. Of course when it comes to share relational data across linguistic versions, Wikidata comes to our mind.allow to add statements on each definition (for example domain/context where the definition applies, However as this is about sharing definitions which are creative materialsregister, we won't be able existing CC-by-sa materials from Wikitionaries into Wikidata anytime soon. So this hopefully expose the reasons of this demand and makes obvious how it support the aims of our movement. So the two important point for the asked Wikibase instance are:and so on) - it should allow to import Wiktionaries definitions- allow Wikitionary (and other sister projects) to query directly the instance - it should allow Wikitionary (and other sister projects) to query directly the instanceTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204713EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PsychoslaveCc: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Psychoslave, Lahi, Gq86, Cinemantique, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, jberkel, Wikidata-bugs, aude, GPHemsley, Shizhao, Nemo_bis, Darkdadaah, Mbch331, Krenair___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
