[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

[Iniquity]

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

[kaldari]

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  @Iniquity - There are other issues as well. For example, the Wikidata 
community's insistence that Wikidata descriptions are primarily for 
disambiguation on Wikidata and not intended for other use cases. This is why we 
have Wikidata descriptions like:
  
one of two or more individuals having at least one parent in common. Avoid 
using with "relative" (P1038), use "sibling" (P3373) instead
  
  ... which are unusable anywhere besides Wikidata. Hopefully, this will one 
day be alleviated via T97566 , 
however.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

[RexxS]

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  In T248457#6006312 , 
@Mike_Peel wrote:
  
  > In T248457#6004246 , 
@Alsee wrote:
  >
  >> In T248457#6003779 , 
@Mike_Peel wrote:
  >>
  >>> I really hope this never happens
  >>
  >> There was repeated consensus on this, and if you recall you participated 
in one 
.
 The Foundation handled things badly, but committed to terminating wikidata 
descriptions when we reached 2 million local descriptions.  I expect the result 
would be Bad all around if the Foundation were to renege.
  >
  > Yes, my comment there still seems to hold true. "I personally think it is a 
bad idea and a waste of developer time." Add to that the massive waste of 
editor time to add those local descriptions, which can't even be copied back to 
Wikidata due to copyright restrictions. This whole situation sucks.
  
  The disadvantages of using a database field that isn't tracked and is not 
capable of being sourced to verify its contents far outweigh the value of being 
able to pull an English-only value into other projects. Those arguments are 
well-rehearsed and the consensus is clear.
  
  I seriously doubt that there are any genuine copyright barriers to importing 
enwiki short descriptions into the Wikidata description fields for two reasons: 
  (1) short descriptions are almost certainly too short to be copyrightable 
(see https://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/unprotected.html for example);
  (2) we already import the English short description into Wikidata when we use 
//short description helper// to create a short description where Wikidata has 
no English description.
  
  The task T191531  asks for local 
short descriptions to be exposed via a Scribunto library call, and is still 
open. The simplest work-around is to use the Wikidata description field to hold 
each wiki's local description where it exists. There's no mechanism for that to 
happen automatically as far as I can see, but having a bot crawling for changes 
to the local short description and updating Wikidata would be nothing unusual 
and timely enough for our applications on Commons, etc.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata ITEM-DESCRIPTIONS as short ARTICLE-DESCRIPTIONS for English Wikipedia articles

[DannyS712]

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