[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

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  We attempted to solve this issue but will unfortunately have to give up on 
our side. There are a number of rather costly workarounds that we could do in 
Wikidata where the effort does not seem justified. Therefore I'm declining this 
for now.
  
  Some background:
  There seems to be a non-technical issue that is a root cause of the problems 
surfacing on "technical" level. Namely, there are two pair of codes used to 
identify two Serbian variants/spellings using Latin and Cyrllic script. 
Respectively sr-el/sr-en and sr-latn/sr-cyrl. The former seems like the 
Wikimedia/Wikipedia custom code pair that Wikidata inherited. The latter pair 
is more standard codes - BCP 47 compliant. 
  It seems that MediaWiki and surrounding , on which Wikibase relies heavily as 
a source defining what are "allowed"/"correct" language code, is seemingly 
intending to do some shift from the non-standard sr-el/sr-ec codes to 
sr-latn/sr-cyrl (T117845 ). This 
migration is not finished, which leads to some components (e.g. Babel) favoring 
sr-latn/sr-cyrl, but others - e.g. Mediawiki's central language code list - 
still only recognizing sr-el/sr-ec. So there needs to be a change there and 
then we need to adapt to that change in Wikibase, which again would come with a 
non-trivial cost of migrating existing data in labels etc.

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  Change 673532 **abandoned** by Tonina Zhelyazkova:
  
  [mediawiki/core@master] Add sr-latn to Names of languages
  
  Reason:
  
  
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/673532

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  In T262269#6928952 , 
@Tonina_Zhelyazkova_WMDE wrote:
  
  > Some findings:
  > --
  >
  > As @Nikki commented, Termbox receives the code `sr-latn`, but Wikibase does 
not recognize it as a content language, therefor it's not visible in the 
termbox.
  > Wikibase uses MediaWiki's `LanguageNameUtils` to get a list of content 
languages. And from what I can tell the utils read from `Names.php` which is a 
list of language codes and their names. That list currently does not contain 
`sr-latn` but rather `sr-el` (see 
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/languages/data/Names.php#L422).
 There are some mapping mechanisms which turn `sr-el` into `sr-latn` but that 
is of no use to us since we send `sr-latn` to the language util.
  >
  > The only fix I could find (see the above gerrit change) is to add `sr-latn` 
to this `Names.php` list. I'm not sure that's the right place to solve the 
problem so I'll wait for a review from some WMF language people.
  
  That sounds like it will add `sr-latn` //alongside// `sr-el`, i.e. without 
migrating the `sr-el` data to `sr-latn`, without preventing people from using 
`sr-el` instead of `sr-latn` and without `sr-el` in a user's Babel box causing 
the `sr-el` data to be shown in the termbox. If so, the problem would still 
exist - we would still have/allow data stored using a language code which users 
can't add to the termbox.

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  Some findings:
  --
  
  As @Nikki commented, Termbox receives the code `sr-latn`, but Wikibase does 
not recognize it as a content language, therefor it's not visible in the 
termbox.
  Wikibase uses MediaWiki's `LanguageNameUtils` to get a list of content 
languages. And from what I can tell the utils read from `Names.php` which is a 
list of language codes and their names. That list currently does not contain 
`sr-latn` but rather `sr-el` (see 
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/languages/data/Names.php#L422).
 There are some mapping mechanisms which turn `sr-el` into `sr-latn` but that 
is of no use to us since we send `sr-latn` to the language util.
  
  The only fix I could find (see the above gerrit change) is to add `sr-latn` 
to this `Names.php` list. I'm not sure that's the right place to solve the 
problem so I'll wait for a review from some WMF language people.

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  Change 673532 had a related patch set uploaded (by Tonina Zhelyazkova; owner: 
Tonina Zhelyazkova):
  [mediawiki/core@master] Add sr-latn to Names of languages
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/673532

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  Task Inspection notes:
  
  Install Babel and add `sr-el`.
  What does `UserPreferredContentLanguagesLookup` `getLanguages()` return? Does 
it have `sr-el`?
  If not, look at places that pass data into 
`UserPreferredContentLanguagesLookup`. Look at the filtering or 
`getAllUserLanguages`.
  If yes, look at places that consume that response.
  
  Check if the language appears with JS disabled (differences between the lists 
of languages in the ui and on the server).

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  Thanks for the investigation, @Nikki! Yeah, I was confused when I saw this 
task because they *should* be available already. So if you have any idea how to 
fix it @Lydia_Pintscher, a fix would be appreciated!

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  Note that we already use `sr-ec` and `sr-el` for terms (see language stats 
).
 The problem here is not that the codes are missing, it's that adding those 
codes to your Babel box does not cause them to appear in the term box.
  
  I notice that after adding `sr-ec` and `sr-el` to the Babel box, the Babel 
box shows `sr-Cyrl` and `sr-Latn` and puts the user into categories for 
`sr-Cyrl` and `sr-Latn`. I suspect what's happening is that the codes get 
turned into `sr-cyrl` and `sr-latn` at some point before being passed to the 
term box and, since we don't support `sr-cyrl` or `sr-latn`, the term box fails 
to find a matching language and can't display them.
  
  The opposite happens when loading a page using `?uselang=`, both 
`?uselang=sr-el` and `?uselang=sr-latn` display the `sr-el` terms in the first 
row.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

[Lea_Lacroix_WMDE]

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  @jhsoby Ping? :)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

[Nikki]

Nikki updated the task description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  @jhsoby @Amire80 Could you chime in?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

[Lydia_Pintscher]

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262269: Make Serbian (sr-el) language available for terms (labels/descriptions/aliases)

[Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  As a Wikidata editor, I want Serbian (sr-el) to appear under my languages in 
the termbox when I add sr-el to my babel template, so that I can add labels and 
description.

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