[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262773: Stop archiving the wikidata-bugs mailinglist in pipermail

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2021-04-15T05:54:27Z]  end 
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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2021-04-15T05:44:39Z]  start 
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2021-04-04 Thread Ladsgroup 
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  It's not 5GB, it's 10GB (T278609#6970491 
) which is 6% of all of our 
archives. I'm inclined to delete the archives and will do it if there's no 
objections by end of the next week.

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2020-09-20 Thread Lydia_Pintscher 
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  Archiving disabled :)

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2020-09-18 Thread Dzahn 
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  assigning to Lydia as she is the list admin and can change it per 
T262773#6464825 
  
  I think that's all that is needed to resolve this ticket. the general 
discussion about archive sizes in relation to a possible migration of the list 
server can continue on the linked DBA-task and shouldn't be limited to just one 
list.

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2020-09-16 Thread Dzahn 
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  In T262773#6468918 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  >>> There are two: `pywikibot-bugs` and `pywikipedia-bugs`
  
  787M  pywikibot-bugs
  260M  pywikibot-bugs.mbox
  
  160M  pywikipedia-bugs
  56M   pywikipedia-bugs.mbox
  
  Those sizes seem negligible to me.

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2020-09-16 Thread Dzahn 
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  In T262773#6468857 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  >>> Maybe we can also get an overview of the biggest archives to handle the 
low-hanging fruits first? Is it possible?
  
  Yes, here are the ones that are larger than 1G , by size:
  
10G helpdesk-l
6.1Greading-web-team.mbox
6.1Garbcom-l
5.5Gwmfall
4.8Greading-web-team
3.8Gwikidata-bugs
3.1Gwmfall.mbox
3.0Gqa-alerts
2.9Gwmfsf
2.4Garbcom-l.mbox
2.1Gwikimedia-in-exec
2.0Gops
2.0Gblog-admin
1.9Gwikimedia-l
1.8Gwmfsf.mbox
1.7Gwikinews-pl
1.7Gpressemeldungen
1.6Gwikimediail-board
1.6Gaffcom
1.5Gwikimedia-il
1.5Gwikien-l
1.4Gwmfcc-l
1.3Gwikiit-admins-l
1.3Gwikidata-bugs.mbox
1.3Gfunctionaries-en
1.2Gclerks-l
1.1Gwikitech-l
1.1Gwikinews-pl.mbox
1.1Gwikimediaua
1.1Gwikimedia-in-exec.mbox
1.1Ganalytics-internal
  
  If you wonder about some being .mbox and some not:  Each list has 2 things, 
an mbox with all-in-one and the directory with HTML generated from the mbox 
files. So it's possible that all HTML has been deleted but the mbox is still 
around or the other way around. I don't know which one would matter for an 
import into a database.

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2020-09-16 Thread Dzahn 
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  In T262773#6468857 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  > it would probably have backup (which is a good thing, the current setup 
doesn't have backups AFAIK)
  
  We do have backups of mailman archives in the current setup and have had them 
since a long time. list servers include "profile::backup::host and the lists 
role tells it to backup "backup::set { 'var-lib-mailman': }". Whether specific 
databases are backed up should be verified with DBA team.

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2020-09-16 Thread Ladsgroup 
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  In T262773#6468887 , 
@Dzahn wrote:
  
  > In T262773#6465226 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  >
  >> What about pywikibugs-l? I assume it's also pretty big and people can just 
search in phabricator instead.
  >
  > No such list pywikibugs-l
  > No such list pywikibugs
  
  Sorry, I should double checked name of the mailing list (there are lots of 
pywikibot related mailing lists, it gets really confusing, sorry). There are 
two: `pywikibot-bugs` and `pywikipedia-bugs`

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2020-09-16 Thread Dzahn 
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  In T262773#6465226 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  > What about pywikibugs-l? I assume it's also pretty big and people can just 
search in phabricator instead.
  
  No such list pywikibugs-l
  No such list pywikibugs
  
  > if we migrate to mailman3
  
  I can't say anything about that one way or another.
  
  > going to be on its own database
  
  I see the concerns of DBAs about the size on that linked ticket. ACK. Since 
discussion already started there let's keep possible efforts to globally reduce 
size on that ticket or a dedicated task i'd say. Looks like Herron already 
answered the part about the total size it currently has.
  
  If there is a migration and it turns out we actually have to reduce the size 
.. i guess we could just skip copying/migrating some selected archives instead 
of actively deleting stuff on the old instance now.

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2020-09-16 Thread Ladsgroup 
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  In T262773#6464894 , 
@Dzahn wrote:
  
  > I can only agree with what RLazarus already said. This is just a config 
change at the list-admin level. The people receiving 
wikidata-bugs-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org can just do this as they see fit. You 
don't need Operations/SRE for that. Deletion of archives is normally only done 
if there are legal reasons for it and the server is not about to run out of 
disk anytime soon.
  
  True but if we migrate to mailman3 (which I hope we do sometime soon), it's 
going to be on its own database (T256538 
) and it would probably have backup 
(which is a good thing, the current setup doesn't have backups AFAIK) so I 
think having the archives tidied up would help us a lot. Maybe we can also get 
an overview of the biggest archives to handle the low-hanging fruits first? Is 
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2020-09-15 Thread Ladsgroup 
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  What about pywikibugs-l? I assume it's also pretty big and people can just 
search in phabricator instead.

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2020-09-15 Thread Dzahn 
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  I can only agree with what RLazarus already said. This is just a config 
change at the list-admin level. The people receiving 
wikidata-bugs-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org can just do this as they see fit. You 
don't need Operations/SRE for that. Deletion of archives is normally only done 
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2020-09-15 Thread RLazarus 
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  Any list administrator can disable archiving new messages, at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikidata-bugs/archive -- just change 
"Archive messages?" to "no" and submit.
  
  If you'd also like to delete the existing archive, SRE can do that. For the 
record, we're not talking about very much data at all:
  
rzl@lists1001:~$ sudo du -hs 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/wikidata-bugs{,.mbox}
3.8G/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/wikidata-bugs
1.3G/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/wikidata-bugs.mbox
  
  so from purely a storage perspective it's not worth worrying about -- but I 
don't know if there are any other considerations in terms of mailman's 
performance. CC @Dzahn to weigh in if he's so inclined.

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2020-09-14 Thread Lydia_Pintscher 
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  Deleting the archive should also be fine.

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2020-09-14 Thread Lydia_Pintscher 
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  Outsch. I didn't realize it's that much...
  From my side it's fine no to archive this one. I don't think anyone should 
rely on the archive. Phabricator search exists.

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2020-09-13 Thread Nemo_bis 
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  At some point, the external archives of wikibugs-l were the only way to 
search or count certain events in our issue tracker, which were impossible to 
query in the web interface. Are we sure nobody is using, say, the mbox archive 
for such purposes?

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Legado_Shulgin, Nandana, Davinaclare77, Qtn1293, Techguru.pc, Lahi, Gq86, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T262773: Stop archiving the wikidata-bugs mailinglist in pipermail

2020-09-13 Thread Legoktm 
Legoktm created this task.
Legoktm added projects: Wikimedia-Mailing-lists, Wikidata.
Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper.
Restricted Application added a project: Operations.

TASK DESCRIPTION
  The wikidata-bugs 
 list allows people 
to easily subscribe to all Wikidata related bugs.
  
  The pipermail archives currently have 202k emails archived or about 20% of 
emails archived in all of Wikimedia's list archives. We don't/didn't archive 
wikibugs-l  and given 
that all of the emails are just copies of what's already in Phabricator, 
maintaining a separate archive seems unnecessary. We can also rely on other 
external archivers like gmane/etc. if people want HTML email archives.
  
  I propose that the list continues to operate as is, but we stop archiving new 
emails and consider deleting the old archives.

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  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262773

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To: Legoktm
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Legado_Shulgin, Nandana, Davinaclare77, Qtn1293, Techguru.pc, Lahi, Gq86, 
GoranSMilovanovic, Th3d3v1ls, Hfbn0, QZanden, LawExplorer, Zppix, _jensen, 
rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wong128hk, Barras, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Jalexander, 
faidon, Mbch331, Rxy, Jay8g, Krenair, fgiunchedi, Quiddity
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