[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T275286: SDC: Suppress usual UI display of a property when its number of statements is very large

[Jheald]

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  A couple of follow-up things.
  
  1. There are now specific Wikiproject pages for the upload, at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WP_EMEW/Map_uploads -- please forgive 
for being rough and ready, the whole EMEW wikiproject is only ten days old
  
  2. Bert Spaan (IIIF maps SIG co-chair, https://www.allmaps.org , ex-NYPL, 
came to Wikimania Stockholm) is on a 'get to know' zoom call *today* (1pm 
London / 2pm NL) with the project and GIS co-leads from Viae Regiae.
  
  If there is anybody working on WMF-GLAM-IIIF that this would be useful to, to 
attend as an observer, please email me for the link -- jpm.heald (at) gmail.com
  
  Bert will be talking about what is possible using map-IIIF (ie the software 
he's developed: http://www.allmaps.org which could be a very useful replacement 
for the frankly horrible present version of Commons MapWarper), what VR should 
be looking to export to fit the map IIIF toolchain, and what they can import 
from map-IIIF manifests.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T275286: SDC: Suppress usual UI display of a property when its number of statements is very large

[Multichill]

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  If it aint' broken, don't fix it? Let's just see what happens and if anything 
explodes, than focus on fixing that.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T275286: SDC: Suppress usual UI display of a property when its number of statements is very large

[LucasWerkmeister]

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  I would suggest to first try how the SDC UI fares with large statement lists, 
e.g. on a test wiki (Test Wikimedia Commons 
 hasn’t been deleted yet), 
and see what kind of problems emerge, before implementing a solution.
  
  To date, the file with most depicts statements 

 seems to be Nature Timespiral.png 
, with 128 
statements. It seems to work reasonably well in Wikidata Image Positions; on 
Commons, Firefox showed the “a web page is slowing down your browser” notice 
for a bit, but eventually the page became usable.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T275286: SDC: Suppress usual UI display of a property when its number of statements is very large

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  A bit more about the use-case.  Early next month the external Viae Regiae 
 project, with which Wikidata:WikiProject Early Modern 
England and Wales 

 is closely co-operating, will start a mass participation effort to transcribe 
all of the places and placenames on several series of 16th and 17th century 
maps, like this 1576 Saxton map of Essex 

 on Commons.  (They will actually be using a higher-resolution copy, which we 
will be uploading).
  
  As can be seen from the map, the number of places on it is very large; the 
process may generate of the order of 1000 located places per map, which we 
should like to record as Commons SDC, using either `P180` "depicts" or some 
similar property, with qualifier `P2677` "relative position within image".
  
  The wikibase software should handle this number of statements per file-item.  
But the SDC user interface will not,  Attempting to display 1000 depicts 
statements would make the SDC information page essentially unusable, if it did 
not crash altogether.  The solution suggested is therefore to suppress display 
of statements when the number of statements for a particular property becomes 
very large, and suggest the user interact with them in some other way.
  
  Use of SDC to display annotation information for images has been a core 
use-case for SDC from the start.  T214405 
 ("Designing for structured image 
annotations") links some of the other tickets that have been raised for 
annotation in the past.  The present ticket is not a duplicate of T214405 
 (on which work has currently been 
frozen), nor does it depend on it, but it probably is a blocker for it.
  
  Uploading media files with a very large number of annotations will be a 
valuable stress-test for Commons wikibase, in particular per-page performance 
under such conditions.  It will be extremely useful to be able to see how well 
the UI and supporting software can handle the editing of other statements on 
the file, when such a very large number of statements (albeit undisplayed) are 
already present on an item.
  
  The ability of SDC to usefully handle annotations, sometimes very large 
numbers of annotations, is of critical importance to the GLAM sector's interest 
in the project.  At the suggestion of @SandraF_WMF (now a civilian again as 
@Spinster), who previously carried out scoping work in this area, I am 
therefore copying in @FRomeo_WMF and @GFontenelle_WMF to this ticket.
  
  Even though work on T214405  is 
currently frozen, the presence of images with very high number of annotations 
will be a useful resource for the further development and refinement of 
user-created tools in this area.
  
  In particular @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE (in his private capacity as 
@LucasWerkmeister) has developed a tool as described at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister/Wikidata_Image_Positions 
to examine and edit/create statements with such `P2677` "relative position 
within image" qualifiers (visual example 
), and also to export 
them into working IIIF manifests, to allow them to be viewed (and ingested for 
further editing) in external viewers such as Mirador (click on the 'speech 
bubble' icon at the top left of the image to visually display the annotations 
).
  In future the tool may also be able to work similarly with annotations 
attached to non-rectangular polygons using ` P8276 ` "region within image" 
(value syntax open to modification, for most flexible reusability).
  
  The presence of these images on Commons, with high amounts of annotation 
information, will therefore be a useful test for developing our ability to read 
infomation in, find good ways to represent it as SDC, and then round-trip it 
out again as IIIF. This is the essence of  T173346 
 and a fundamental technology 
path-finder for T261621  (Copying in 
@David_Haskiya_WMSE)
  
  To be able to check the well-functioning of SDC in such cases, when very 
large amounts of SDC content of one particular kind may be present, it would be 
very very desirable that the SDC UI tab continues to be operable for other 
statements, even when a very large number of statements may be present for one 
or more 

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T275286: SDC: Suppress usual UI display of a property when its number of statements is very large

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Certain use-cases may generate //very// large numbers of statements for a 
particular property -- for example, content annotation of certain old maps
  
  As a user, if the number of statements for a property is very large, I would 
like the UI **not** to display the statements, but instead to advise me to try 
to view and edit them some other way

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