[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T278674: Creating an item with 18 claims corresponding to 18 datatypes in a third-party Wikibase instance

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T278674: Creating an item with 18 claims corresponding to 18 datatypes in a third-party Wikibase instance

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  Right. I have repeated it just now: indeed the same problem. It seems like 
WikibaseLexeme is still not installed, but it's added and installed like any 
other extension. I have also specified proper access rights to the 
WikibaseLexeme-folder before attaching it to containers. In case of 
WikibaseLocalMedia-extension setting proper access rights solved the problem, 
but not for WikibaseLexeme. Hm...

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  What problems were you having?

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  I still had problems with lexemes, forms and senses for that version of the 
wikibase-docker. But may be they are resolved in the new version.

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  Can we consider this one resolved?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T278674: Creating an item with 18 claims corresponding to 18 datatypes in a third-party Wikibase instance

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  Thank you!

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T278674: Creating an item with 18 claims corresponding to 18 datatypes in a third-party Wikibase instance

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  After consulting with the developers I've added some documentation to 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Suite#Native_and_non-native_data_types 
. Because Wikidata is extremely customized and not a model example for 
Wikibase, we've only noted officially supported data types and their extensions.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T278674: Creating an item with 18 claims corresponding to 18 datatypes in a third-party Wikibase instance

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  > Your point is well taken. Bear in mind, however, that all those links are 
Wikidata documentation; while Wikibase's own documentation is in its infancy 
and lacks the information you request, its start page is located here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase and all of it can be expanded and 
supplemented by Wikimedia staff and community members alike.
  
  Yes, I understand that those links are Wikidata documentation. Though, since 
the Wikidata is a role model for the third-party Wikibase instances, it would 
be really useful to supplement each datatype with just a few more words "Native 
or We used Extension X" to those pages. IMHO, of course. I would add that info 
myself to those pages, no problem, but I am not yet sure that I do understand 
well which exactly extensions you used for Wikidata in each case.
  
  > I will discuss the datatype/extension topic with the developers at my next 
opportunity. If there's bandwidth to generate this documentation and depending 
on the quantity of information needed, you may at some point see this section 
expanded: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Suite#Other_extensions or a 
new page created and linked.
  
  :-)

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[danshick-wmde]

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  In T278674#6982682 , 
@RShigapov wrote:
  
  > @danshick-wmde and @Addshore, as I mentioned above in "Suggestions" 
section, there is no information about the required extensions at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Data_type, 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Properties/Reports/Datatypes 
and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListDatatypes.
  
  Your point is well taken. Bear in mind, however, that all those links are 
Wikidata documentation; while Wikibase's own documentation is in its infancy 
and lacks the information you request, its start page is located here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase and all of it can be expanded and 
supplemented by Wikimedia staff and community members alike.
  
  > It would be nice to add to EACH DataType information like "Native datatype. 
No extra extensions are required" or "This datatype is not natively supported 
in Wikibase and requires X extension. Follow installation instructions at Y."
  
  I will discuss the datatype/extension topic with the developers at my next 
opportunity. If there's bandwidth to generate this documentation and depending 
on the quantity of information needed, you may at some point see this section 
expanded: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Suite#Other_extensions or a 
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  @danshick-wmde and @Addshore, as I mentioned above in "Suggestions" section, 
there is no information about the required extensions at 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Data_type, 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Properties/Reports/Datatypes 
and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListDatatypes.
  
  It would be nice to add to EACH DataType information like "Native datatype. 
No extra extensions are required" or "This datatype is not natively supported 
in Wikibase and requires X extension. Follow installation instructions at Y."
  
  @danshick-wmde, my answers to your questions: 1. If the datatype 'Musical 
Notation' is wanted in a Wikibase instance. 2. Yes, especially with Docker.

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  In T278674#6979190 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > This missing part is not in the install section, but in the prerequisites 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#Prerequisites
  
  I think you misunderstand -- what I'm trying to figure out is how and when a 
Wikibase user should be properly instructed to use this extension. My 
assumption, which of course may be wrong, is that not every Wikibase user needs 
Score, so:
  
  1. Under what circumstances should a Wikibase user install Score? and
  2. Does a Wikibase user need more information beyond Score's own 
documentation to make Score work with Wikibase?

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  In T278674#6964482 , 
@danshick-wmde wrote:
  
  > In T278674#6963779 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  >
  >> Adding @danshick-wmde as this very much seems to be on the topic of 
documentation for setting up a WIkibase
  >
  > Could be! Is there special Wikibase-custom configuration for the Score 
extension? What does a Wikibase installer need to know beyond the Score docs?: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#Installation
  
  This missing part is not in the install section, but in the prerequisites 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#Prerequisites

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  Okay, I have additionally installed lilypond which requires almost 500Mb 
extra. It's now in '/usr/bin/'. I'll let you know how it goes. So far I am 
getting the same error message.

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  In T278674#6963779 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > Adding @danshick-wmde as this very much seems to be on the topic of 
documentation for setting up a WIkibase
  
  Could be! Is there special Wikibase-custom configuration for the Score 
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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#Installation

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  I have seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#$wgScoreLilyPond, 
but lilypond is not in those directories. Is it not installed together with the 
Score extension? Shall I install it additionally?

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  Adding @danshick-wmde as this very much seems to be on the topic of 
documentation for setting up a WIkibase
  
  The extension that is needed for the musical notation data type is 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score
  It looks like that is already installed, but not correctly configured.
  The docs for the variable seen in the error are 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score#$wgScoreLilyPond

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