[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T284820: Code Review & Merge - Improved Property Suggester/Recommender service patches

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T284820: Code Review & Merge - Improved Property Suggester/Recommender service patches

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  Event logging is now also merged.
  Moving to verification

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[Addshore]

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  the 2 code patches are now merged, pending figuring out what to do with the 
other 1/2 of the event logging stuff

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T284820: Code Review & Merge - Improved Property Suggester/Recommender service patches

[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  UI-wise nothing changes with the new suggester. It's just supposed to give 
better suggestions for Properties compared to the current one. I'll bring up 
value suggestions as something we might want to have in the future.

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  Although I do not have a screenshot of the new suggester, it would be great 
if they work on T54: [Story] Entity suggester should also suggest values 
/

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[Addshore]

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  In T284820#7167379 , 
@Bugreporter wrote:
  
  > If we deploy new version of recommendation system, it worths a new service 
in WMF production instead of a Cloud VPS instance.
  
  Indeed, this will be detailed in T285098: Production A/B test deployment - 
Improved Property Suggester/Recommender 


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T284820: Code Review & Merge - Improved Property Suggester/Recommender service patches

[Bamyers99]

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  Where is the analysis and design documentation for the Improved Property 
Suggester?

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[Bugreporter]

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  If we deploy new version of recommendation system, it worths a new service in 
WMF production instead of a Cloud VPS instance.
  
  The more important problem of a student project is maintanence - 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Past_projects#Wikidata_Entity_Suggester
 was a GSoC project and is not deployed to the production in favor of the 
current PropertySuggester; WikibaseQuality was also unmaintained for several 
years.

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[Esc3300]

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  I removed the toke as somehow I thought the third party server was only for 
testing, not for the actual update of the feature.

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Addshore added a parent task: T285098: Production A/B test deployment - 
Improved Property Suggester/Recommender.

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[Addshore]

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  Indeed, and I have a note written down regarding production deployment to 
write a phabricator ticket for that soon.
  We also have a call / more emails with WMF around the topci scheduled for 
next week.

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[Michael]

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  In T284820#7161139 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  >> Could you elaborate on this? If it is decided to not deploy that new 
suggester backend somewhere and talk to it, then I'm not sure what value these 
patches add and what they are needed for.
  >> Or is this intended to be also used in other Wikibase installations?
  >
  > For deployment on beta for example this code is still needed (or any other 
wikibase)
  
  Ok, so the idea is that even if we cannot evaluate it on production because 
of security concerns, we would still want to evaluate it on beta and other 
places. Gotcha. Thanks.

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[Addshore]

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  > Could you elaborate on this? If it is decided to not deploy that new 
suggester backend somewhere and talk to it, then I'm not sure what value these 
patches add and what they are needed for.
  > Or is this intended to be also used in other Wikibase installations?
  
  For deployment on beta for example this code is still needed (or any other 
wikibase)

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[Michael]

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  In T284820#7160579 , 
@Addshore wrote:
  
  > [...]
  > Even if we don't end up deploying this to production and talking to labs, 
this code is still needed in the extension.
  > [...]
  
  Could you elaborate on this? If it is decided to not deploy that new 
suggester backend somewhere and talk to it, then I'm not sure what value these 
patches add and what they are needed for.
  Or is this intended to be also used in other Wikibase installations?

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[Addshore]

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  In T284820#7160678 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > I’ve started looking at the patches, but I know almost nothing about the 
EventLogging parts.
  
  It's highly likely that we will not be the folks to +2 the schemas themselves 
for EventLogging, but we should ensure that the code submitting events appears 
to lineup with the schemas that are defined.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  I’ve started looking at the patches, but I know almost nothing about the 
EventLogging parts.

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[Addshore]

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  TLDR this ticket is about code review of these things, not about deploying 
this thing to production right now.
  
  --
  
  > I just wanted to say while I love to get this into production, I highly 
object to get the code in production while trying to read the cloud service in 
the backend (i.e. deploying the code without deploying the service to 
production). We tried to do this for ores several years ago and it turned out 
that it is not a good idea.
  
  So this is primarily for an A/B test, and after the A/B test is complete we 
can make the decision around 1) full production deployment including the 
service in production or 2) keep using the existing thing.
  There is little point in multiple teams investing work on getting something 
deployed into product, that in theroy after a month of so we then just need to 
undeploy and unwire etc.
  
  > The reason production doesn't speak to the outside is security, we are 
exposing a big vector attack. That service can be taken over somewhat easier.
  
  We can control and "lock down" the service in cloud VPS as much as we and 
other see fit.
  No remotely private data is sent to the service by the application.
  Any data read from the application can also be sanitized / checked for 
validity, and again this would be a very small attack vector if any (this is 
something that should come up in CR of the patches linked by this ticket.
  
  > The defense in depth principle being applied in production implies anything 
we depend on must have a security review. This effectively bypasses that 
principle.
  
  This area can indeed have a security review of some sorts etc.
  As mentioned in the story time call, there is an ongoing discussion with WMF 
around if and how we can do this.
  This ticket only relates to the code that would make something like this 
possible, not about the deploying to production bit, which would come after.
  Even if we don't end up deploying this to production and talking to labs, 
this code is still needed in the extension.
  
  > Production and Cloud have way different SLOs. The service can go down for 
any reason for hours or more, degrading a production functionality or worse 
causing exceptions and possibly an outage in production.
  
  This is also something that should come up in code review of the patches.
  We should be ready for the service to not be there, and to gracefully 
fallback to the other solution, or whatever product @Lydia_Pintscher is happy 
with in said situation.

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[Ladsgroup]

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  I just wanted to say while I love to get this into production, I highly 
object to get the code in production while trying to read the cloud service in 
the backend (i.e. deploying the code without deploying the service to 
production). We tried to do this for ores several years ago and it turned out 
that it is not a good idea.
  
  - The reason production doesn't speak to the outside is security, we are 
exposing a big vector attack. That service can be taken over somewhat easier.
  - The defense in depth principle being applied in production implies anything 
we depend on must have a security review. This effectively bypasses that 
principle.
  - Production and Cloud have way different SLOs. The service can go down for 
any reason for hours or more, degrading a production functionality or worse 
causing exceptions and possibly an outage in production.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T284820: Code Review & Merge - Improved Property Suggester/Recommender service patches

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T284820: Code Review & Merge - Improved Property Suggester/Recommender service patches

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