[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Sj]

Sj added a comment.


  Has there been any recent progress on this?  T348269 
 by one of the preeminent reusers of 
SDC, in both scale and impact, seems relevant; but that remains untriaged and 
this one is High but unassigned.
  
  Usage seems surprisingly steady at 2.5-3 q/s, is there any information about 
how it's currently being used? 
  cc @ladsgroup @Spinster @Fuzheado

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Bugreporter]

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  > some people are really keen on having ability to share query results of 
WCQS/WDQS without auth even if it's stale. Like basically HTML of the result 
copied and stored somewhere.
  
  See also: T104762: Setup sparqly service at https://sparqly.wmflabs.org/ 
(like Quarry but for SPARQL) 

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Ladsgroup]

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  With some discussions with volunteers in Wikimania, some people are really 
keen on having ability to share query results of WCQS/WDQS without auth even if 
it's stale. Like basically HTML of the result copied and stored somewhere.
  
  A general problem of pressure on query services is that sometimes I just want 
the cached data to share it, sometimes I want to run it right now. Something 
that's already decently solved in Quarry . In 
Quarry, sharing a db query result doesn't need an account nor does anything 
heavy internally (it doesn't do any actual db query) but building a new query 
to share does need the OAuth dance.

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Denengelse, Spinster, Alicia_Fagerving_WMSE, RhinosF1, Andrawaag, MPhamWMF, 
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LWyatt, Legoktm, Husky, LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, 
Danny_Benjafield_WMDE, Uata1122, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, karapayneWMDE, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Sj]

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  Looks like it is still 2-3 reqs/s.  Is that the target usage rate?  A fine 
metric for a query service is that it is used to its desired load.   If 
underused, it could be made open-auth until this is reached, and then somehow 
have a conversation with those users re: options for rate limiting or uptime 
degradation.
  
  To the common need Husky + others note of wanting to build tools anyone can 
use w/o getting an error: for a given load you could split it between part for 
open usage and the rest for auth-only usage, on different clusters so the 
latter is available even when the former is brought down. [then tune the size 
of each cluster based on need, maybe one can go away completely if not used]

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Denengelse, Spinster, Alicia_Fagerving_WMSE, RhinosF1, Andrawaag, MPhamWMF, 
Jane023, Sannita, Bugreporter, GFontenelle_WMF, Susannaanas, Gehel, 
AxelPettersson_WMSE, Abbe98, Izno, Pharos, Nikki, Ainali, Chicocvenancio, 
LWyatt, Legoktm, Husky, LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, 
Danny_Benjafield_WMDE, Uata1122, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, karapayneWMDE, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[LucasWerkmeister]

LucasWerkmeister added a comment.


  In T297995#8875368 , 
@Legoktm wrote:
  
  > In T297995#8872681 , 
@Husky wrote:
  >
  >> I would suggest just removing the authentication for a week and see what 
happens.
  >
  > I'm curious what you expect to learn during this week. I'm not necessarily 
against a trial, but to me it seems clear that 1) a number of people who 
currently aren't using WCQS would if there was no auth check, and 2) 
Bad/complex/etc. queries will most likely take down WCQS, just like they do for 
Wikidata. Is a week long enough to get a sense of what either will be like?
  
  I also don’t think this trial would be very useful – or at least, I probably 
won’t add WCQS support to my tools if I’ll have to remove it again after only a 
week.

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LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
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[Legoktm]

Legoktm added a comment.


  In T297995#8872681 , 
@Husky wrote:
  
  > I would suggest just removing the authentication for a week and see what 
happens.
  
  I'm curious what you expect to learn during this week. I'm not necessarily 
against a trial, but to me it seems clear that 1) a number of people who 
currently aren't using WCQS would if there was no auth check, and 2) 
Bad/complex/etc. queries will most likely take down WCQS, just like they do for 
Wikidata. Is a week long enough to get a sense of what either will be like?
  
  But a service with 100% uptime that no one uses is still useless, so I lean 
towards removing the auth restriction outright and just treating it the same as 
WDQS. My impression is that we're not introducing a new problem, just extending 
the same problem that is being explored on the WDQS side and will benefit from 
the same fix whenever it's ready.

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Alicia_Fagerving_WMSE, RhinosF1, Andrawaag, MPhamWMF, Jane023, Sannita, 
Bugreporter, GFontenelle_WMF, Susannaanas, Gehel, AxelPettersson_WMSE, Abbe98, 
Izno, Pharos, Krinkle, Nikki, Ainali, Chicocvenancio, LWyatt, Legoktm, Husky, 
LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, Y.ssk, Muchiri124, CBogen, ItamarWMDE, 
Akuckartz, Nandana, Namenlos314, Lahi, Gq86, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, 
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[Husky]

Husky added a comment.


  In T297995#8872458 , 
@Legoktm wrote:
  
  > My impression from speaking with multiple people at the hackathon is that 
the authentication requirement is a barrier for people to even use the service 
in the first place, which defeats the point.
  
  Yup. I'm not really interested in creating queries if i can't share them with 
other people who don't / can't / won't go through the authentication hassle or 
building tools around the service when they're not going to be used for the 
same reason.
  
  I would suggest just removing the authentication for a week and see what 
happens.

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Bugreporter, GFontenelle_WMF, Susannaanas, Gehel, AxelPettersson_WMSE, Abbe98, 
Izno, Pharos, Krinkle, Nikki, Ainali, Chicocvenancio, LWyatt, Legoktm, Husky, 
LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, Y.ssk, Muchiri124, CBogen, ItamarWMDE, 
Akuckartz, Nandana, Namenlos314, Lahi, Gq86, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, 
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[Andrawaag]

Andrawaag added a comment.


  > My impression from speaking with multiple people at the hackathon is that 
the authentication requirement is a barrier for people to even use the service 
in the first place, which defeats the point.
  
  Exactly!. Thanks for pointing this out. We should however be wary that those 
low numbers don't reflect a lack of potential. Once and a while I try the WCQS 
and I keep being impressed by its potential, only to be disappointed when 
trying to use it at scale. We should keep reiterating that introducing the 
authentication to the SPARQL endpoint was a bad design choice.

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Alicia_Fagerving_WMSE, RhinosF1, Andrawaag, MPhamWMF, Jane023, Sannita, 
Bugreporter, GFontenelle_WMF, Susannaanas, Gehel, AxelPettersson_WMSE, Abbe98, 
Izno, Pharos, Krinkle, Nikki, Ainali, Chicocvenancio, LWyatt, Legoktm, Husky, 
LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, Y.ssk, Muchiri124, CBogen, ItamarWMDE, 
Akuckartz, Nandana, Namenlos314, Lahi, Gq86, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, 
GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, EBjune, merbst, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, 
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[Legoktm]

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  Honest question, is anyone even uisng WCQS right now? 
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00489/wikidata-query-service?orgId=1&refresh=1m&var-cluster_name=wcqs&from=now-2d&to=now&viewPanel=18
 suggests that it's getting ~2.5 queries per second. WDQS 
(https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00489/wikidata-query-service?orgId=1&refresh=1m&var-cluster_name=wdqs&from=now-2d&to=now&viewPanel=18)
  on the other hand is two orders of magnitude higher, ~250q/s.
  
  My impression from speaking with multiple people at the hackathon is that the 
authentication requirement is a barrier for people to even use the service in 
the first place, which defeats the point.

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Bugreporter, GFontenelle_WMF, Susannaanas, Gehel, AxelPettersson_WMSE, Abbe98, 
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LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
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[Elfix]

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  In T297995#8717780 , @Yug 
wrote:
  
  > - Wikimedia Commons Query Service: fails due to current settings.
  
  For  #lingua_libre , a 
possible alternative while still being authenticated: somehow get the 
wcqsSession token (not sure how) and send it to the WCQS endpoint when sending 
queries with XHR. This could work, except WCQS does not correctly respond to 
preflight requests from browsers.
  
--> OPTIONS 
https://commons-query.wikimedia.org/sparql?format=json&query=SELECT%20%3Flang%20%3Fiso%20%3FlangLabel%2...
<-- 307 Temporary Redirect (Should be a 204 with the list of acceptable 
headers, instead it simply redirects to the authentication page)
  
  I do not know if that requires a separate issue. In any case, requiring 
authentication //and// not yielding any CORS access controls for XHR 
authentication severely hinders our capacity to do anything useful with this 
querying service.

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LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, Y.ssk, Muchiri124, CBogen, ItamarWMDE, 
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[Yug]

Yug added a comment.


  Example of use case: Wikimedia's LinguaLibre.org has 700k+ files on Commons, 
we also have a mw plugin, QueryViz, to include Query Services' response within 
its [[:lingualibre:Help:SPARQL]], See live test : 
https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Help:SPARQL/test :
  
  - Lingua Libre Query Service: works
  - WikiData Query Service: works
  - Wikimedia Commons Query Service: fails

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Bugreporter, GFontenelle_WMF, Susannaanas, Gehel, AxelPettersson_WMSE, Abbe98, 
Izno, Pharos, Krinkle, Nikki, Ainali, Chicocvenancio, LWyatt, Legoktm, Husky, 
LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, AWesterinen, 
karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, Y.ssk, Muchiri124, CBogen, ItamarWMDE, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[pere_prlpz]

pere_prlpz added a comment.


  Removing authentication would also solve issues like 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332289

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Spinster]

Spinster added a comment.


  FYI, #OpenRefine  will 
likely implement a SPARQL importer in the upcoming time (May-August 2022) 
through an Outreachy internship 
. Many OpenRefine users 
have requested to make it possible to start OpenRefine projects from a SPARQL 
query.
  
  I have explicitly asked to also investigate if it is even possible for us to 
start a project from a WCQS query. 
 In our user research (as 
part of the Wikimedia-funded project to include Wikimedia Commons 
functionalities in OpenRefine 
),
 Wikimedia Commons users have asked for this feature.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Andrawaag]

Andrawaag added a comment.


  Can the password feature on the SDCQC please, please, please, please pretty 
please be removed/disabled? The SDCQC is an epic feature, but almost useless 
thanks to the requirement to log in. Basically, Commons remains a data silo on 
its own. 
  I keep running into issues where I am building a query that I want to share, 
reuse in a jupyter notebook or run a federated query from Wikidata. The 
decision to Oauth here is really a poor design choice.

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Nandana, Namenlos314, Lahi, Gq86, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, GoranSMilovanovic, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[MPhamWMF]

MPhamWMF merged a task: T305434: The WCQS can't be used in PAWS.

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LucasWerkmeister, Fuzheado, Aklapper, Multichill, Astuthiodit_1, karapayneWMDE, 
Invadibot, maantietaja, Y.ssk, Muchiri124, CBogen, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Andrawaag]

Andrawaag added a comment.


  adding security to WCQS, might have an unexpected effect. Since it is not 
possible to write a federated query where the query is submitted to a remote 
SPARQL endpoint, it is only possible to run federated queries directly on the 
WCQS, which means that WCQS needs to deal with all the complexity of a query. 
Removing that login requirement would allow the majority of the complexity can 
be dealt with at a remote endpoint.

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CBogen, Akuckartz, Nandana, Namenlos314, Lahi, Gq86, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[CBogen]

CBogen merged a task: T302635: Why does it require a Wikimedia login to use 
SPARQL on commons?.
CBogen added a subscriber: Andrawaag.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[MPhamWMF]

MPhamWMF triaged this task as "High" priority.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[MPhamWMF]

MPhamWMF added a comment.


  As mentioned in the WCQS beta 2 announcement 
,
 authentication (or the lack of it) on WCQS is an issue that requires further 
discussion and planning after the beta 2 release. I'll mark this as high 
priority as a feature request.

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[MPhamWMF]

MPhamWMF updated the task description.

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[Bugreporter]

Bugreporter added a comment.


  We may introduce two level of service (authenticated and anonymous) with 
separate resources and different timeout (e.g. 15s/60s or 60s/300s).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[JJMC89]

JJMC89 reopened this task as "Open".

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[BilalShirwani]

BilalShirwani closed this task as a duplicate of T298058: [Impact Analysis] 
Evaluate Impact of Mobile Reply and New Discussion Tools.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T297995: Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query Services (WCQS)

[Gehel]

Gehel added a comment.


  Some response on the talk page: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:SPARQL_query_service/Upcoming_General_Availability_release#Follow_up_response_to_WCQS_Authentication

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[Multichill]

Multichill added a project: Commons.

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[Maintenance_bot]

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[Multichill]

Multichill renamed this task from "Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons 
Query Services (WMQS)" to "Remove authentication from Wikimedia Commons Query 
Services (WCQS)".

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