[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[dcausse]

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  In T302189#8501314 , 
@Nikki wrote:
  
  > This report of grammatical features 

 is wrong because it includes deleted data. Like with the previous queries I 
mentioned, I'm unable to fix it because that takes it from running in under a 
second to timing out.
  >
  > This query 

 returns a form which was deleted 11 months ago.
  >
  > (Here's 

 100 forms which need cleaning up)
  
  The presence of triples like
  
wd:L643664-F1 wikibase:grammaticalFeature wd:Q109459317
  
  seems like a different problem to me, forms are not considered "shared 
resources" and thus cannot be orphaned. I suspect a bug in the way we delete 
Lexemes, will file a specific task for this.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[Nikki]

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  This report of grammatical features 

 is wrong because it includes deleted data. Like with the previous queries I 
mentioned, I'm unable to fix it because that takes it from running in under a 
second to timing out.
  
  This query 

 returns a form which was deleted 11 months ago.
  
  (Here's 

 100 forms which need cleaning up)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[Nikki]

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  Ran into this again while trying to check whether a property is in use in 
references, since pr: includes non-existent references - 
https://query.wikidata.org/#select%20%2a%20%7B%20%3Fs%20pr%3AP2183%20%3Fval%20%7D
  
  Here's 

 40,000 reference nodes which need cleaning up (again, the most I could get 
without a timeout).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[Nikki]

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  In T302189#7848616 , 
@MPhamWMF wrote:
  
  > Thanks for the clarification. With regard to orphaned nodes throwing off 
query results, there should be ways to write SPARQL queries in such a way that 
they ignore these nodes.
  
  If it's possible to exclude orphaned nodes in a query, it must be possible to 
write queries which //find// orphaned nodes. Why not have a maintenance script 
to query for orphaned nodes and clean them up, and run it on a regular basis 
without being dependent on a full reload? It would be more understandable to me 
if orphaned nodes were cleaned up once a day or so - not real time, but still 
within a reasonable time frame.
  
  I'm not able to fix my own queries though, due to the query timeouts. e.g. 
how can I fix this query 
?
 As it is, it runs in under a second but returns incorrect data. When I try to 
make sure the value node exists, e.g. like this 

 or like this 
,
 I get a timeout. I have the same problem with `wikibase:timePrecision`.
  
  (Here's 

 10,000 nodes to clean up, the most I could get without it timing out. Here's 

 another 107 where the globe isn't Q2)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[MPhamWMF]

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[MPhamWMF]

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  Thanks for the clarification. With regard to orphaned nodes throwing off 
query results, there should be ways to write SPARQL queries in such a way that 
they ignore these nodes.
  
  In the meantime, we will try to reload Wikidata more often, as discussed 
above.

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[Bugreporter]

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  Another possible workflow:
  (1) once a sitelink/value/reference is unused it is put to a queue 
(deduplicated)
  (2) use something like LDF to quickly filter out value or reference that is 
still used (no need to do this for sitelinks as one sitelink can only be used 
in one item) - we need to figure out how to do this once we no longer use 
Blazegraph
  (3) remove if they are unused
  (4) recheck

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[Bugreporter]

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  See also: T105427: Need a way for WDQS updater to become aware of suppressed 
deletes 

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[MPhamWMF]

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  Has removing sensitive information been a problem so far? Or is it something 
that is currently an issue? I acknowledge that as an edge case, it should be 
ideally be one that we can take care of quickly. 
  In the past, we've had one off tickets to clean up data quickly without 
waiting for reloads. In the case of a sensitive information issue, which to my 
best knowledge is a rare edge case, filing a ticket to manually remove this 
data would seem to solve this issue.
  
  From what I can tell, there are other remaining issues for different use 
cases involving Wikidata quality maintenance, and queries returning faulty 
information. These issues seem lower priority than sensitive information, and 
could perhaps be addressed by more frequent reloads, though it is an open 
question what the frequency should be.
  
  As mentioned above, the proposed workflow for real time garbage collection is 
not a viable solution due to the performance load it would put on WDQS: running 
this many queries for each edit to find orphans and recheck them would likely 
choke WDQS further, and cause many more timeouts for users across the board. 
Unfortunately we are in a position where we need to make compromises right now 
-- in this case between having freshly updated edits to Wikidata vs having 
enough stability that users are able to run WDQS queries. Both extremes aren't 
great: up to date information that nobody can query, vs a severely outdated 
graph that returns faulty information when queried.
  
  Reloading Blazegraph more regularly (which itself takes human and machine 
time to do), in addition to specific tickets to remove sensitive information 
ASAP, is a proposed compromise between data quality and service usability.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

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  A proposed workflow:
  
  1. using some queries to find all orphaned sitelink, value and reference 
nodes (and recording the IRIs)
  2. remove them from triplestore
  3. recheck if they are still unused and if they are not we need to add them 
back to the triplestore
  
  I am not sure whether it is enough to prevent race conditions.

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[Bugreporter]

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  I don't think "once, twice or four times a year" is enough. If someone added 
sensitive information into Wikidata, we need to remove it as soon as possible.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

[dcausse]

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  Reason is that this data //may// be referenced by other items and thus cannot 
be deleted blindly without asking blazegraph: //"is this data used by another 
item?"// which would be too costly to ask for every edit.
  Another approach is to reload blazegraph from the dumps at regular intervals 
(TBD: once, twice or four times a year).

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[MPhamWMF]

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  @dcausse , is there a reason these changes are not reflected within the 10min 
update lag we have for other WD changes to be reflected in WDQS?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T302189: Regularly purge orphaned sitelink, value and reference nodes

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  Reopen. Having orphaned sitelink, value or reference node means users can add 
sensitive information into WDQS with no easy way to clean up.

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