[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T305660: [LEX] Empty senses/forms lists presentation in dump

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  The non-lexeme dump also looks good:
  
$ curl -sL 
https://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/entities/latest-all.json.gz | gunzip | 
grep -E --color=yes '"claims":[[{][]}]' | head -25

{"type":"item","id":"Q23678","labels":{"gl":{"language":"gl","value":"B-2C"},"en":{"language":"en","value":"B-2C"},"es":{"language":"es","value":"B-2C"},"de":{"language":"de","value":"B-2C"}},"descriptions":{"gl":{"language":"gl","value":"Motor
 foguete desenvolvido polos Estados 
Unidos."},"en":{"language":"en","value":"rocket 
engine"},"es":{"language":"es","value":"nave 
espacial"},"de":{"language":"de","value":"Raketentriebwerk"}},"aliases":{},"claims":{},"sitelinks":{"glwiki":{"site":"glwiki","title":"B-2C","badges":[]}},"pageid":27069,"ns":0,"title":"Q23678","lastrevid":73962379,"modified":"2013-10-01T16:58:46Z"},

{"type":"item","id":"Q56405","labels":{"zh":{"language":"zh","value":"\u683c\u66fc\u8bed"},"br":{"language":"br","value":"Midjoueg"},"gv":{"language":"gv","value":"Miju-Mishmish"}},"descriptions":{},"aliases":{"gv":[{"language":"gv","value":"Deng
 Geman"},{"language":"gv","value":"Deng 
Kaman"}]},"claims":{},"sitelinks":{"brwiki":{"site":"brwiki","title":"Midjoueg","badges":[]}},"pageid":59180,"ns":0,"title":"Q56405","lastrevid":16956037,"modified":"2013-03-30T11:03:14Z"},
{"type":"item","id":"Q282911","labels":{"hu":{"language":"hu","value":"Az 
alkohol hat\u00e1sai"},"ro":{"language":"ro","value":"Efectele etanolului 
asupra 
organismului"}},"descriptions":{},"aliases":{},"claims":{},"sitelinks":{"rowiki":{"site":"rowiki","title":"Efectele
 etanolului asupra 
organismului","badges":[]},"huwiki":{"site":"huwiki","title":"Az alkohol 
hat\u00e1sa az emberi 
szervezetre","badges":[]}},"pageid":273471,"ns":0,"title":"Q282911","lastrevid":1396249191,"modified":"2021-04-05T09:52:56Z"},
  
  There are some `"claims":{}` in there and no `"claims":[]`.
  
  I think this is done \o/

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  The lexeme part of this looks good to me, I’m seeing `"senses":[]` and 
`"forms":[]` in
  
curl -s 
'https://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/entities/latest-lexemes.json.gz' | 
gunzip | grep -E --color=yes '"(forms|senses)":[[{][]}]' | head -25
  
  I guess we should leave this open until the next non-lexeme dumps to check 
that items still look correct as well.

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  This is deployed now and should take effect with the next dumps; I did some 
tests on mwdebug2002, and as far as I can tell, lexemes are indeed fixed 
(`"senses": []`) while items didn’t regress (`"claims": {}`).

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2024-02-12T16:22:42Z]  
lucaswerkmeister-wmde@deploy2002 Finished scap: Backport for 
[[gerrit:1002431|Disable JSON Dump tests to prepare for schema change in 
Wikibase (T305660 )]], 
[[gerrit:1002432|Return stdClass/Object from Serializers for empty lists 
(T305660 )]], 
[[gerrit:1002433|Change expected serialization format of JSON dumps to include 
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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2024-02-12T16:14:22Z]  
lucaswerkmeister-wmde@deploy2002 lucaswerkmeister-wmde: Backport for 
[[gerrit:1002431|Disable JSON Dump tests to prepare for schema change in 
Wikibase (T305660 )]], 
[[gerrit:1002432|Return stdClass/Object from Serializers for empty lists 
(T305660 )]], 
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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2024-02-12T16:12:59Z]  
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  Change 1002433 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@wmf/1.42.0-wmf.17] Change expected 
serialization format of JSON dumps to include arrays
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1002433

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Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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  Change 1002432 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@wmf/1.42.0-wmf.17] Return stdClass/Object from 
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Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
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  Change 1002431 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@wmf/1.42.0-wmf.17] Disable JSON Dump 
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  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1002431

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Ivan_A_Krestinin, Danny_Benjafield_WMDE, Isabelladantes1983, Themindcoder, 
Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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  Change 1002433 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); 
author: Arthur taylor):
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@wmf/1.42.0-wmf.17] Change expected 
serialization format of JSON dumps to include arrays
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1002433

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Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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  Change 1002432 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); 
author: Arthur taylor):
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@wmf/1.42.0-wmf.17] Return stdClass/Object from 
Serializers for empty lists
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1002432

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  Change 1002431 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); 
author: Arthur taylor):
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@wmf/1.42.0-wmf.17] Disable JSON Dump 
tests to prepare for schema change in Wikibase
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1002431

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Ivan_A_Krestinin, Danny_Benjafield_WMDE, Stevemunene, Busfault, Astuthiodit_1, 
Atieno, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, jannee_e, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, 
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Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
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  Change 983159 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Change expected serialization 
format of JSON dumps to include arrays
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/983159

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Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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  Change 983162 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Added strict type and type info to 
modified files.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/983162

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Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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  Change 982847 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Return stdClass/Object from 
Serializers for empty lists
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/982847

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Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
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  Change 983081 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Disable JSON Dump tests to 
prepare for schema change in Wikibase
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/983081

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Ivan_A_Krestinin, Danny_Benjafield_WMDE, Isabelladantes1983, Themindcoder, 
Stevemunene, Adamm71, Jersione, Hellket777, LisafBia6531, Busfault, 
Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE changed the task status from "Stalled" to "Open".
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  Unstalling, and I’ve just +2ed the relevant changes. I think on Monday we can 
backport it to wmf.17 (so that it’s deployed regardless of whether the train 
reaches group1 on Wednesday before or after the dumps start), and run a few 
quick test dumps to check that the fix works.

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Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  The announcement 

 says that we’ll deploy this on 8 February (so the first dump with the new code 
will be on 14 February); until then, I think this task is stalled, and the best 
column is probably In Development? Or maybe Waiting for Deployment Window?

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  That sounds good to me. Let's prepare an announcement to send out tomorrow.

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Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  From my side this is good.
  @Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE What do you say?

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  Alright, then we just need to settle the timing I think. The lexeme JSON 
dumps run each Wednesday (per Puppet 
),
 and according to systemd on snapshot1008 they seem to finish in less than an 
hour, so I think we could for instance send out the announcement tomorrow, let 
the dumps of 2024-01-17, -24 and -31 still run with the old code (and the “bad” 
empty senses/form representation), then deploy the fix between 2024-02-01 and 
2024-02-06 and have the dumps of 2024-02-07 as the first fixed dumps. Plus or 
minus any number of weeks if we want (e.g. if we already want the new code for 
the 2024-01-31 dumps). WDYT?

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Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
Hook696, Kent7301, holger.knust, joker88john, CucyNoiD, Nandana, Gaboe420, 
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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  I don't think we can invest the time right now to do the test dumps, so let's 
deploy it even if it can't be tested on Test Wikidata unfortunately.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  I think the code is ready and we need a product decision – do we (ask WMF to) 
set up dumps for Test Wikidata, so we can first roll out the change there? Or 
do we just announce this and then (after 1 week, 2 weeks, whatever) deploy it 
to Wikidata for the next round of dumps there, without the ability to test it 
on Test Wikidata?

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  Made a separate task for that: T355127: Add entity dumps to Wikidata Stable 
Interface Policy 

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  Yeah I'd say this is an oversight and they should be considered stable.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  In T305660#9435980 , 
@xcollazo wrote:
  
  > It is also my interpretation that the Stable Interface Policy 
 applies to 
wikidata.org and not to the dumps.
  
  That’s actually a good question… the policy (permalink 
)
 mentions the RDF and JSON dumps in “Stable Data Formats”, but doesn’t actually 
list them in “Stable Public APIs” – but neither are they listed in “Unstable 
Interfaces”. I feel like this is probably just an oversight, and they should be 
considered stable interfaces – we’ve mentioned them in some breaking change 
announcements (example 
),
 and some of the discussions on the policy talk page 
 also 
involve the dumps. But this is probably up to Product to decide.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE closed subtask T353626: Remove OPTION_OBJECTS_FOR_MAPS 
flag from SerializerFactory (dead code) as Resolved.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  In T305660#9452899 , 
@ArthurTaylor wrote:
  
  > After removing the (used) OPTION_USE_OBJECTS_FOR_MAPS (per T353626 
), I looked at what it would mean to 
just apply OPTION_USE_OBJECTS_FOR_EMPTY_MAPS change globally (and thereby 
simply eliminate the need for the option). The effect of making the change 
globally is that some tests fail 

 because of interactions with the ApiResult serialization.
  >
  > To avoid making global changes to the way we serialize objects, my 
preference would be to use the flag - it seems like too large a can of worms to 
open to address such a minor serialization issue.
  
  I see, that’s unfortunate. In the long term, I feel like it would be better 
for the serializers to directly return all the information they can (not just 
objects for all maps, but even the extra metadata that’s currently tacked on in 
`ResultBuilder::getEntitySerializationWithMetaData()`), and for later parts of 
the stack to strip out the metadata they don’t need again – but that would be a 
lot more effort. Let’s just limit this option to the dumps for now, then.

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[ArthurTaylor]

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  After removing the (used) OPTION_USE_OBJECTS_FOR_MAPS (per T353626 
), I looked at what it would mean to 
just apply OPTION_USE_OBJECTS_FOR_EMPTY_MAPS change globally (and thereby 
simply eliminate the need for the option). The effect of making the change 
globally is that some tests fail 

 because of interactions with the ApiResult serialization.
  
  To avoid making global changes to the way we serialize objects, my preference 
would be to use the flag - it seems like too large a can of worms to open to 
address such a minor serialization issue.

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Astuthiodit_1, Atieno, 786, Biggs657, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, 
Juan90264, Alter-paule, jannee_e, Beast1978, ItamarWMDE, Un1tY, Akuckartz, 
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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  In T305660#9435980 , 
@xcollazo wrote:
  
  >> Additionally, we are exploring the feasibility of making the fixed dumps 
available for testing on test.wikidata.org
  >
  > Is there any use for the proposed `testwikidatawiki` dumps other than to do 
the testing proposed in this task? If not, I would rather not setup a dump just 
for testing.
  
  IIRC our thinking (in some meeting where we talked about this) was that, even 
though this change to the dumps is pretty minor and harmless, it would still be 
useful to set up testwikidatawiki dumps in general, so that we have them 
available when we make other changes to the dumps that might require more 
testing (which will probably happen sooner or later).

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[xcollazo]

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  > Since you're involved in generating the dumps, we would appreciate hearing 
your thoughts before moving forward.
  
  I have no objection in fixing what you folks all agree is a bug. It is also 
my interpretation that the Stable Interface Policy 
 applies to 
wikidata.org and not to the dumps.
  
  I do think we should announce and document the change as per your policy, and 
also on 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/xmldatadumps-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ 
out of courtesy to dumps users, but note these `entities` dumps are separate 
from our main database dumps.
  
  > Additionally, we are exploring the feasibility of making the fixed dumps 
available for testing on test.wikidata.org
  
  Is there any use for the proposed `testwikidatawiki` dumps other than to do 
the testing proposed in this task? If not, I would rather not setup a dump just 
for testing.

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[Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE]

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  @ArielGlenn, @BTullis,  @Milimetric, @JEbe-WMF, @xcollazo: Apologies if 
you've received notifications elsewhere. We are planning to address the issue 
of how empty forms and senses are presented in dumps by changing empty lists 
from objects to arrays, aligning with the presentation of non-empty tags. Since 
you're involved in generating the dumps, we would appreciate hearing your 
thoughts before moving forward. Additionally, we are exploring the feasibility 
of making the fixed dumps available for testing on test.wikidata.org

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[Arian_Bozorg]

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  Let's wait for the response from the people pinged before we move ahead on 
this. cc: @masssly

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[Arian_Bozorg]

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  Thanks everyone, I think Michael's option works well for us here. @Masssly 
will be in touch with the people working dumps tomorrow. And we can turn on the 
config option before so that they can see how it can affect them.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  In T305660#9410130 , 
@Michael wrote:
  
  > Alternatively, how did we handle this in T138104 
 or T241422 
? Or is it that we are not "changing 
behavior", but "fixing a bug"?
  
  T138104  explicitly only affected 
the API and not the dumps. T241422  
doesn’t mention the dumps, but from looking at the main fix commit 
, I 
suspect it also only affected the API. So we’re in new territory here as far as 
I can tell.

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[Michael]

Michael added a subtask: T353626: Remove OPTION_OBJECTS_FOR_MAPS flag from 
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[ArthurTaylor]

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  @Arian_Bozorg re. your comment above - how do you want to proceed here? If we 
consider this a breaking change, we would need to selectively enable the 
functionality, and need to setup JSON dumps on testwiki. If we don't consider 
this a breaking change I guess we can be a little less rigorous about the 
rollout. Right now, I have a flag for the change in functionality, but it's not 
exposed as a config option - should I create the option?

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[Michael]

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  In T305660#9409689 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > In T305660#9349563 , 
@Arian_Bozorg wrote:
  >
  >> Before completing this we must consider:
  >>
  >> - Stable interface policy 

  >> - Linked data interface 

  >
  > Hm, but this is a bit tricky. Since this issue only affects the dumps (and 
not Special:EntityData nor wbgetentities), and we don’t seem to have 
testwikidatawiki entity dumps  
(compare wikidatawiki , see 
`entities/`), it’s not clear to me how we can fulfill the requirement that “The 
change will be available for testing at least two weeks before deployment on 
https://test.wikidata.org/” if we consider this a breaking change :|
  
  Meh. That's unfortunate. I guess one way would be to ping the folks dealing 
with dumps and see if we can (temporarily?) enable them for test.wikidata.org 
as well?
  
  Alternatively, how did we handle this in T138104 
 or T241422 
? Or is it that we are not "changing 
behavior", but "fixing a bug"?
  
  In any case, we certainly should start the communication around this next 
week.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  In T305660#9349563 , 
@Arian_Bozorg wrote:
  
  > Before completing this we must consider:
  >
  > - Stable interface policy 

  > - Linked data interface 

  
  Hm, but this is a bit tricky. Since this issue only affects the dumps (and 
not Special:EntityData nor wbgetentities), and we don’t seem to have 
testwikidatawiki entity dumps  
(compare wikidatawiki , see 
`entities/`), it’s not clear to me how we can fulfill the requirement that “The 
change will be available for testing at least two weeks before deployment on 
https://test.wikidata.org/” if we consider this a breaking change :|

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[gerritbot]

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  Change 983081 had a related patch set uploaded (by Arthur taylor; author: 
Arthur taylor):
  
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Disable JSON Dump tests to 
prepare for schema change in Wikibase
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/983081

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  Change 983162 had a related patch set uploaded (by Arthur taylor; author: 
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  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Added strict type and type info to 
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  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/983162

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  Change 983159 had a related patch set uploaded (by Arthur taylor; author: 
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  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Change expected serialization 
format of JSON dumps to include arrays
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/983159

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  Change 982847 had a related patch set uploaded (by Arthur taylor; author: 
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  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] WIP Return stdClass/Object from 
Serializers for empty lists
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/982847

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  Before completing this we must consider:
  
  - Stable interface policy 

  - Linked data interface 


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T305660: [LEX] Empty senses/forms lists presentation in dump

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ItamarWMDE renamed this task from "Empty senses/forms lists presentation in 
dump" to "[LEX] Empty senses/forms lists presentation in dump".

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